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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 11:32 am
(October 4, 2017 at 11:29 am)Khemikal Wrote: (October 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Not sure, but I would like to say this last thing on my mind. Everyone's experiences are different. So, maybe my worldview/idea really is true. Doesn't follow. Dial up the thinking.
Quote:But it might only be true for me and others out there like me. Perhaps, for me, my euphoric and dysphoric states truly are the only way I can perceive good and bad values in my life since I mentioned to you earlier that it was like the visual signals being sent to the brain to allow us to visualize colors. So, maybe my brain is just different then. Maybe my inner light is the euphoric states while others have a different form of inner light. I'm not sure on this one and I can't prove it one way or the other. So, I will just leave it at that. Although, I am convinced of my own personal experience and that my worldview does apply to me. In which case, no one can comprehend my personal experience and my worldview.
None of this follows either......
Quote:Therefore, no one will truly understand me and my needs.
....nor does this....
Quote:They would just dismiss them.
....nor does this.
See what happens when you stop thinking entirely?
None of what you said followed from anything I've written. So, you're the one not making any sense to me.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 11:33 am
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Are you sure that there wasn't some bit of copy paste on your desktop that might have been a better response? If you need someone to explain the concept of what logically follows from some x...then how could you have been using the term "therefore" all this time..competently?
I know you have google. Let wonder lead you to knowledge.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 11:36 am
(October 4, 2017 at 11:33 am)Khemikal Wrote: Are you sure that there wasn't some bit of copy paste on your desktop that might have been a better response?
No. I am quite sure I have given the proper response. I just don't understand why you think what I've said had no thought put into it at all. All I basically said was that everyone is different and that everyone's experiences are different. That is a known fact of life and I don't see any problem here.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 11:54 am
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(October 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Not sure, but I would like to say this last thing on my mind. Everyone's experiences are different. So, maybe my worldview/idea really is true. But it might only be true for me and others out there like me. Perhaps, for me, my euphoric and dysphoric states truly are the only way I can perceive good and bad values in my life since I mentioned to you earlier that it was like the visual signals being sent to the brain to allow us to visualize colors. So, maybe my brain is just different then. Maybe my inner light is the euphoric states while others have a different form of inner light. I'm not sure on this one and I can't prove it one way or the other. So, I will just leave it at that. Although, I am convinced of my own personal experience and that my worldview does apply to me. In which case, no one can comprehend my personal experience and my worldview. Therefore, no one will truly understand me and my needs. They would just dismiss them.
(October 4, 2017 at 11:36 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: No. I am quite sure I have given the proper response. I just don't understand why you think what I've said had no thought put into it at all. All I basically said was that everyone is different and that everyone's experiences are different. That is a known fact of life and I don't see any problem here. The problem clearly isn't with any known fact of life, but with your own ability to contain yourself to "all you basically said" - as evidenced by your own posts above.
So, start with "all you basically said"-
Everyone is different and everyone's experiences are different. Let's ignore any requirement that you demonstrate this to be true or acknowledge that it cannot be an absolute statement of truth if even two people have shared or similar experiences, or even a shared mechanism of experience at a fundamental level. Lets just see what follows....from that.
Everyone's experiences are different, therefore......what?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 12:01 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 11:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: (October 4, 2017 at 11:19 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Not sure, but I would like to say this last thing on my mind. Everyone's experiences are different. So, maybe my worldview/idea really is true. But it might only be true for me and others out there like me. Perhaps, for me, my euphoric and dysphoric states truly are the only way I can perceive good and bad values in my life since I mentioned to you earlier that it was like the visual signals being sent to the brain to allow us to visualize colors. So, maybe my brain is just different then. Maybe my inner light is the euphoric states while others have a different form of inner light. I'm not sure on this one and I can't prove it one way or the other. So, I will just leave it at that. Although, I am convinced of my own personal experience and that my worldview does apply to me. In which case, no one can comprehend my personal experience and my worldview. Therefore, no one will truly understand me and my needs. They would just dismiss them.
(October 4, 2017 at 11:36 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: No. I am quite sure I have given the proper response. I just don't understand why you think what I've said had no thought put into it at all. All I basically said was that everyone is different and that everyone's experiences are different. That is a known fact of life and I don't see any problem here. The problem clearly isn't with any known fact of life, but with your own ability to contain yourself to "all you basically said" - as evidenced by your own posts above.
So, start with "all you basically said"-
Everyone is different and everyone's experiences are different. Let's ignore any requirement that you demonstrate this to be true or acknowledge that it cannot be an absolute statement of truth if even two people have shared or similar experiences, or even a shared mechanism of experience at a fundamental level. Lets just see what follows....from that.
Everyone's experiences are different, therefore......what?
Therefore, my euphoria might truly be the only way I can perceive good value while others might be able to perceive good value differently.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 12:19 pm
Doesn't follow. What rule of inference do you think you're using..here?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 12:26 pm
(October 4, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Doesn't follow. What rule of inference do you think you're using..here?
I would be having a different experience than others. That is why I don't think there was anything wrong with my inference.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 12:28 pm
There is no such rule of inference.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 1:02 pm
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(October 4, 2017 at 12:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote: There is no such rule of inference.
Let me give you an example here. It would be with drug addicts as opposed to average human beings. When the drug addict gets a blissful high, he would report that this blissful high is like a whole new perception of good value and beauty that goes beyond any thought form. It would be like a whole new sense allowing him to sense goodness and beauty. But when this addict is off this high and he is feeling miserable, then he would report to you that it doesn't matter what he thinks or believes; his life would still hold no real perception of good value and beauty without these highs. It would be like being blind and not being able to visualize colors by thinking of colors. But a normal person would report that he is able to perceive the good values in life with no need for euphoria.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 4, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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(October 4, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Let me give you an example here. It would be with drug addicts as opposed to average human beings. When the drug addict gets a blissful high, he would report that this blissful high is like a whole new perception of good value and beauty that goes beyond any thought form. So what, is it? You yourself have invoked the possibility that people might be deluded in their moral assessments. How do you respond to yourself in this example?
Quote:It would be like a whole new sense allowing him to sense goodness and beauty.
I'm not aware of any drug which has been shown to grant extrasensory perception or, indeed, a new sense.
Quote:But when this addict is off this high and he is feeling miserable, then he would report to you that it doesn't matter what he thinks or believes; his life would still hold no real perception of good value and beauty without these highs. It would be like being blind and not being able to visualize colors by thinking of colors. But a normal person would report that he is able to perceive the good values in life with no need for euphoria.
Sounds to me like the drug addicts moral assessments, as described by you, are an unreliable authority.
Was this intended to be an example of the flaws in your line of thoughtless "therefores"..or....did you imagine that it was some valid rule of inference which lead to your stated positions?
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