(September 9, 2017 at 9:49 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote:

Joshua martin pryce Wrote:none of us are good enough to enter into heaven. that is why jesus died for your souls. but the question is do you reject or accept his punishment in your place.

I think the questions to ask are (1) Are you so morally bankrupt that vicarious atonement strikes you as a good thing? and (2) Are you really credulous enough to believe in such barbaric nonsense?

(August 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

(October 7, 2017 at 12:20 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: Yeah I don't believe for a moment Hitler was truly Catholic. You can sit in a garage overnight, doesn't make you a car.

(October 7, 2017 at 12:20 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote:

(August 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"

It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.

First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.

True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.


What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all. 

Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time .)

Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.

Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.

There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?

My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.

Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)

I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance  trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy"  .

I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)

I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.

Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)

For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8

I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!

Yeah I don't believe for a moment Hitler was truly Catholic. You can sit in a garage overnight, doesn't make you a car.

(October 7, 2017 at 8:40 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 7, 2017 at 12:20 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: Yeah I don't believe for a moment Hitler was truly Catholic. You can sit in a garage overnight, doesn't make you a car.

That would extend to everybody sitting in the garage, now wouldn't it.