(October 8, 2017 at 6:10 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Most (if not all) people already know and have always known that positive emotions are what makes life good. The inner light and god stuff aside, pretty good writing.

Obviously not.  This whole topic was nothing but a disagreement and an argument.  Many people have disagreed with my whole idea here that I was presenting.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:10 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Most (if not all) people already know and have always known that positive emotions are what makes life good. The inner light and god stuff aside, pretty good writing.

Obviously not.  This whole topic was nothing but a disagreement and an argument.  Many people have disagreed with my whole idea here that I was presenting.

Maybe it was the long paragraphs of inner light and other stuff which is just crazy talk. Emotions like happiness are pretty great and I'm sure you'd get people to agree with you on that one.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:10 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Most (if not all) people already know and have always known that positive emotions are what makes life good. The inner light and god stuff aside, pretty good writing.

Obviously not.  This whole topic was nothing but a disagreement and an argument.  Many people have disagreed with my whole idea here that I was presenting.

Your whole philosophy boils down to "It is good to feel good."  You need to learn the difference between deep and deepity.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Obviously not.  This whole topic was nothing but a disagreement and an argument.  Many people have disagreed with my whole idea here that I was presenting.

Your whole philosophy boils down to "It is good to feel good."  You need to learn the difference between deep and deepity.

But in order for one's life to truly be good without positive emotions, then that would require the inner light to take on another form.  In other words, it would require a different type of positive state of mind.  There must be an actual quality of that positive state there.  As I said before, there is a big difference between definitions and qualities.  Just because you define a positive state of mind to be there doesn't mean that it is really there.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Your whole philosophy boils down to "It is good to feel good."  You need to learn the difference between deep and deepity.

But in order for one's life to truly be good without positive emotions, then that would require the inner light to take on another form.  In other words, it would require a different type of positive state of mind.  There must be an actual quality of that positive state there.  As I said before, there is a big difference between definitions and qualities.  Just because you define a positive state of mind to be there doesn't mean that it is really there.

You are too mired in the very many arbitrary definitions of "good," of "emotion," of "positive state."  What's the difference, for example, between an emotion and "a different type of positive state of mind"?  If you feel that this state of mind is positive, then you are having an emotional reaction to it.  If you do not feel that it is positive, then on what basis do you say it is positive?

Really, this all boils down to a whole lot of nothing-- way too many words for way to simple an idea, when a few idioms would suffice.  How about "Always look at the bright side of your life"?

Now, let me say that I fully endorse your search for happiness and value. Certainly, I'd say doing that is better than not doing it. And if you want to make big walls of text about it, that's okay, too. But if you present self-help-type ideas in a philosophical forum, expect them to get picked clean.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:52 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But in order for one's life to truly be good without positive emotions, then that would require the inner light to take on another form.  In other words, it would require a different type of positive state of mind.  There must be an actual quality of that positive state there.  As I said before, there is a big difference between definitions and qualities.  Just because you define a positive state of mind to be there doesn't mean that it is really there.

You are too mired in the very many arbitrary definitions of "good," of "emotion," of "positive state."  What's the difference, for example, between an emotion and "a different type of positive state of mind"?  If you feel that this state of mind is positive, then you are having an emotional reaction to it.  If you do not feel that it is positive, then on what basis do you say it is positive?

Really, this all boils down to a whole lot of nothing-- way too many words for way to simple an idea, when a few idioms would suffice.  How about "Always look at the bright side of your life"?

Now, let me say that I fully endorse your search for happiness and value.  Certainly, I'd say doing that is better than not doing it.  And if you want to make big walls of text about it, that's okay, too.  But if you present self-help-type ideas in a philosophical forum, expect them to get picked clean.

You could certainly have the mindset of your life being beautiful and good, but as long as there is no positive emotion there, then your life can only be empty.  If a different type of positive state is the very definition of a different type of positive emotion, then having no real quality of this positive emotion could only render your life empty regardless of what you were to believe otherwise.  Without both types of positive emotions, then your life could only be empty.

(October 8, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:35 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Your whole philosophy boils down to "It is good to feel good."  You need to learn the difference between deep and deepity.

But in order for one's life to truly be good without positive emotions, then that would require the inner light to take on another form.  In other words, it would require a different type of positive state of mind.  There must be an actual quality of that positive state there.  As I said before, there is a big difference between definitions and qualities.  Just because you define a positive state of mind to be there doesn't mean that it is really there.

Must I again point out the irony that you on the one hand say that words don't change the reality of emotions they're just words, but on the other hand insist on referring so positive emotions as the "Inner light" as if those words make a fucking difference.

Your religiousy metaphor is not attractive. I tried to help you. But it's pointless.

Yes, feeling good is good on the surface. But there's more to it than that. The long run is important and minimizing suffering is more important than being a hedonist. I already pointed out that a bunch of people partying while everyone around them is suffering when they are perfectly capable of helping those people would be immoral, not moral. In a word you're very myopic.

I'd also like to mention that neener neener I'm more enlightened than you are, so suck it.

(October 8, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(October 8, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: But in order for one's life to truly be good without positive emotions, then that would require the inner light to take on another form.  In other words, it would require a different type of positive state of mind.  There must be an actual quality of that positive state there.  As I said before, there is a big difference between definitions and qualities.  Just because you define a positive state of mind to be there doesn't mean that it is really there.

Must I again point out the irony that you on the one hand say that words don't change the reality of emotions they're just words, but on the other hand insist on referring so positive emotions as the "Inner light" as if those words make a fucking difference.

Your religiousy metaphor is not attractive. I tried to help you. But it's pointless.

Yes, feeling good is good on the surface. But there's more to it than that. The long run is important and minimizing suffering is more important than being a hedonist. I already pointed out that a bunch of people partying while everyone around them is suffering when they are perfectly capable of helping those people would be immoral, not moral. In a word you're very myopic.

I'd also like to mention that neener neener I'm more enlightened than you are, so suck it.

I refer to positive emotions as being the inner light, but as long as there is no real quality of a positive emotion there, then I am still just using words here. Words alone are just words.  They don't hold the power of a positive emotion to make our lives anything.  They are just mere instructions to help us make decisions and whatnot.  But, I really do think you need a positive emotion in your life.  You also talked about positive experiences earlier.  If you had no positive emotions, then you would need a positive experience to truly make your life good and beautiful.  But, again, even a positive experience is a quality.  If you define a positive experience to be there when there is none, then your life would still amount to nothing since you need an actual positive experience there.  That was my whole scenario.  During my worst miserable moments, I had no positive emotion and no positive experience.  Therefore, my life was completely empty regardless of the fact that I have still believed it to be a good and beautiful thing to get help and change my life.

It's pointless calling it the inner light though.

Emotions are irrational. If I wasn't addicted to happiness it would be easier for me to motivate myself to actually problem solve. In the short run happiness is great but in the long run it ain't so great because it doesn't last. And it's dysfunctional to always go for feeling good because sometimes, unfortunately, we have to do shit we don't want to do.

(October 8, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Hammy Wrote: It's pointless calling it the inner light though.

Emotions are irrational. If I wasn't addicted to happiness it would be easier for me to motivate myself to actually problem solve. In the short run happiness is great but in the long run it ain't so great because it doesn't last. And it's dysfunctional to always go for feeling good because sometimes, unfortunately, we have to do shit we don't want to do.

You agreed earlier that we needed a positive experience to truly make our lives good and beautiful.  That would be a positive state of mind.  You would need a real quality of it there to truly make your life good and beautiful rather than defining your life as good and beautiful.  As I said before, if you had no positive emotion and no positive experience, then your life can only be nothing.