I don't understand how people like Tizheruk can say all kinds of racist, prejudiced and intolerant things, and then call other people racist.

This is something I absolutely do not accept-- that all white people must put up with incessant insults and stereotypes, no matter who or what they actually are or what their beliefs are. I'm not part of a group called the "white race," so why am I burdened with the original sin of being born white?

Let me be blunt-- Tizheruk, you are a racist, and I don't appreciate your racism.

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: Neo, while I admit that there are extreme ideas coming from the left that are just silly, they don't hurt you in any way at all.

Personally, no. (Well, maybe a little bit, but I could give a care.) But they do hurt the body politic and the ability to have civil conversations about serious issues. Maintaining the middle ground by not embolding violence or excusing bad behavior seems to be increasingly difficult. It kinda depends on where you live and work too. If you're the sole conservative or liberal in an organization or city that is otherwise, you keep your mouth shut. That's life.

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: When you present them as race hysteria and totally ignore any problems the minorities have, you hurt their cause.

False accusations of racism have been leveled at every single Republican president and candidate for as long as I've been aware. Reagan was not a racist. Nor George Bush. Nor Bob Dole. Nor McCain.  It's become just a one-sided political slander. I gave to examples of stupidity which even my accusers admitted as stupid. People like the oversensitive elitist college student and the race-bating councilmen hurt the cause of people who have legitimate grievances.

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: If you hurt their cause on purpose then you're basically dismissing all their claims, otherwise you might have said that, while you believe that some of the problems are real, these ones are silly. It would have been that easy.

Leveling accusations because of what someone didn't say and speculating about his or her hidden motives reflects very poorly on those who do, especially when done with such apparent absolute certainty. No one was able to point to a single example of racist or bigotry in anything I actually did say. If you read beyond the OP you will see that my later clarifying posts were ignored and the lies and slander continued. This only reinforced my original point. Facts do not matter to such virtue-signaling posers who put "Free Tibet" bumper stickers on there Priuses and think they've done something to advance "the cause".

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: But you picked these out to ridicule everyone here that you believe to be an SJW.

Their lies, slander, and hypocrisy merit all the criticism they received.

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: So maybe you aren't as racist as some people would believe but you're definitely a shit-stirring cunt. That's your only reason for being here, it seems.

Yes, I am being provocative, challenging thoughtless bromides, and calling attention to obvious stupidity. That alone does not make someone a cunt, or racist for that matter. Forums like these exist for dialog and debate. Otherwise, I would note that being provocative does not necessarily being bombastic or fact-free. Heather MacDonald is an excellent example: HERE

(October 12, 2017 at 6:17 am)Little lunch Wrote: Just an angry little man that wants to spit on other people's fun.

Go back and read Divinity and Tiz's posts and tell me I'm the one spitting on other people's fun. Khem, is kinda fun and often witty so I'll give him a pass on this one.

Point out one racist thing i said about white people 

1. Pointing out common defenses racists use is not racism  nor is it stereotyping . Some of which Beta , Road and Wooter have used in some variation . 

2. Mocking non existent white contentions of persecution is not racist . Especially when replying to a ridiculous meme chart Wooter put up.  

3. Nor have i said being white is a sin . Nor implied it .

4. Responding to Wooters whining about the supposed  violence and hypocrisy of the left with counters is not racism  

As Thumb once put it your a sloppy thinker Benny

What exactly is far-right racism?

How do you distinguish it from moderate racism?

What is lefty racism?

(October 12, 2017 at 10:02 am)alpha male Wrote: What exactly is far-right racism?

That it's fake news.

Quote:How do you distinguish it from moderate racism?

That they deserve it.

Quote:What is lefty racism?

That they just can't help themselves.

You're welcome.

For anyone wanting some SJW drama, I've heard the return remake of Dynasty is the thing to watch.

(October 12, 2017 at 6:42 am)bennyboy Wrote: I don't understand how people like Tizheruk can say all kinds of racist, prejudiced and intolerant things, and then call other people racist.

This is something I absolutely do not accept-- that all white people must put up with incessant insults and stereotypes, no matter who or what they actually are or what their beliefs are.  I'm not part of a group called the "white race," so why am I burdened with the original sin of being born white?

Let me be blunt-- Tizheruk, you are a racist, and I don't appreciate your racism.

Dizzy Tizzy is a non issue. He's not a citizen of the united States and he doesn't vote in our elections. So the Dizz's opinions doesn't amount to a wheel barrel full of dog shit when it comes to our politics. 

That said, where did the left's playing their divisive identity politics of race and gender games get them? They lost the White House and they continue to lose state and local elections. The Republicans have 34 Governorships compared to the dems' 15 and 1 Independent. White blue collar workers through out the rust belt and coal states were the largest of the dems' voting base until the last election when they voted Trump into the White House. Trump campaigned on trade fairness, the economy, and bringing back manufacturing and coal jobs while the left and Hillary maligned white males, in particular, as racists and hating women. You don't win elections by maligning and disregarding your largest voting base. Let 'em play their games of divisive identity politics and hateful bigotry. It's been a losing political strategy that I hope they continue with.

(October 12, 2017 at 3:42 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Tzi, I don't agree with BennyBoy that you are a racist. I think your intentions are good and don't stem from a place of prejudice against white people.

But he is correct that just because a person is white does not mean she/he has to put up with insults and not stand up against ridiculous allegations.

(October 12, 2017 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 12, 2017 at 3:42 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Tzi, I don't agree with BennyBoy that you are a racist. I think your intentions are good and don't stem from a place of prejudice against white people.

But he is correct that just because a person is white does not mean she/he has to put up with insults and not stand up against ridiculous allegations.

Which was never the point of that post . Nor it's implication . The primary point was to mock the ridiculous meme chart he posted .

But i'm happy to hear you don't think i'm a racist 

(October 11, 2017 at 8:21 pm)lol Khemikal Wrote: I think you might want to explore why the people who abandoned her did so, rather than her own version of events. 

Fair enough.

Quote:I'm just trying to find out what specifically about how bigots act you're referring to.  If it amounts to "I think that sjws are acting like assholes"....well, I'm sure that's got to be true at least some of the time..but I don't know why it would be a useful criticism of sjws, or a reason to liken them to any bigot they oppose.  Oppose bigotry, but be nice about it?  So..yeah, clarification is required..because your comments in that regard might be meaningful but they might also be a bit ridiculous.

They're definitely acting like assholes, lol, but there are a few that act just like the racists themselves in who they see as the enemy and how they treat them. With certain feminists it's men, with those in the LGBT movement it's the CISgendered or straights, and with minority groups it's the whites or the police force.

These SJWs treat their perceived adversaries like sexists, bigots and racists treat them. As if they are all that way. Or at least enough of them are as to justify their behavior.

Sure, what goes around comes around is fair enough I suppose. Unless one is looking to actually better these issues.

Quote:Pulling a fire alarm?  That was pretty clever.  Illegal too.  Do you equate radical feminism with sjw culture?

Depends on what we're talking about, radical feminism in the States, Canada and most of the 1st World? Yes I'd say that it's fair to say they're SJWs. Third wave "intersectional" feminism is basically the oppression olympics. Just ask Sarkeesian and her pals, everything is sexist everything is offensive.

Radical feminists in Islamic states where feminism can actually do some much needed good? Definitely not.

Quote:Not really an issue of my criteria..trying to establish yours by the examples so we could have a substantive discussion.   I find that I broadly agree with her on some points.  Freedom of speech is not the freedom to speak wherever you want, and a student body does have a say in what their fees pay for.  There's always some other place to go and be a bigot with their bigot buddies.

*my emphasis*

You're exactly right with the bolded bit, except for one niggling thing on that last bit. Where do we draw the line on bigotry? In the video we're met with the banning of a woman (Julie Bindle) who had been working for women's rights for years, now banned from speaking because of a difference in opinion on transgender issues.

Does that seem like social justice to you? Are we to have differences in opinion (not hate speech) become bigotry if they're different from a certain group's view?

Quote:So, again I have to ask..when you speak of sjws..are you thinking specifically or largely of feminists?

I think a large part of third wave feminism is comprised of SJWs. I say "think" because that has been my experience with them, and the experience of many others, but I know anecdote doesn't always describe reality at large.

Quote:This is a good one.  Breaks the pattern from before.  Seems that some of the protesters took issue with being filmed.  They wanted a safe space, he wanted a story.  Personally, I side with the reporter on this one, though that's unsurprising.

The threat of unprovoked violence that came along with this one was especially distasteful to me.

Quote:It begs the question...do you see the creation of or insistence for safe spaces as censorship in the general, or do you see this as a more specific and explicit example of censorship beyond the issue of safe spaces?

I think that safe spaces present more issues than one might originally think, but they don't really become censorship until something like this occurs. This entire fiasco is like a living representation of what can go wrong with "safe space". Wanting to have a space where a group can come together offering solace and an echo chamber is one thing, I don't particularly care aside from finding it ridiculous on its face, but when you do it on public grounds -during a large protest no less- and then threaten violence on the people around you for doing their jobs? That's a big fucking problem, it's beyond censorship to me, it's entitlement and a breeding ground for more needless violence.

Quote:What makes this sjw censorship?  I sometimes suspect that "sjw culture" is a dumpster term.  Help dispel that notion.

I've said before that SJWs are defined to me by their actions and how they go about supporting their ideals (typically ideals of a liberal/humanitarian nature). Given why they were there, the safe space "no outsiders allowed" mindset of the crowd, and Click's volatile, borderline violent, reaction to the reporter (read outsider) are hallmark signs of SJW mentality.