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Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
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 (August 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm)nickos777 Wrote: i'll start at the beginning....one night early november 2000,am in my bedroom smoking... Was it crystal meth?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 Quote:but could a possible explanation for why there are no contemporary sources of jesus or resurection simply be due to the jewish leaders at the time? A "possible" explanation could be that when any writer started to write something about the godboy that his pet parrot sat on his shoulder and pissed on the parchment thus rendering it illegible. You have to start considering "probabilities" and then understand that there is no evidence for either idea.  RE: Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
August 10, 2011 at 1:30 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 1:50 am by nickos777.)
'parrot pissed on my shoulder'....a long time ago!
look at this doodle i did in 5/01,mere weeks after the flash of selfbelief.....do YOU think i had a parrot?quite obviously,i DID as well!!!jokes on [attachment=598]you MFs!! and anyway,you with the crown of thorns picture as your avatar,do YOU now realise what the romans were doing to jesus with this gesture?obviously[i hope you all said that],jesus had tried to explain the voices and images he was getting as 'entering his head',so the romans thought "we'll show him thoughts entering his head...."....do you get the picture? SAME psychosis,EVERY century,similar looking man,SAME foes,SAME family set-up,same friends,SAME god,SAME spirits/angels/afterlife,SAME world,but with different levels of evil[live backwards]on the planet at the different centuries. eeezy peeezy!even the most banal of you should understand now!!!LOL! (August 9, 2011 at 11:54 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:(August 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm)nickos777 Wrote: i'll start at the beginning....one night early november 2000,am in my bedroom smoking... HOLY woah NO. i wouldn't touch that crap after hearing what i've heard about it. rots your face.i may smoke a leetle weed[gods gift to Earth]but i do nothing else.i don't drink.i'm not one for white powder of any sort either.and the only needles that go into my arms are for bloodtests. (August 9, 2011 at 11:48 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Sounds like Nickos needs our New Member Welcoming Package that I recently offered to Ricardo. i take it you've tested it for flaws etc?can you maybe show me how to hold it?!?and how do i pull this dangly thing? anyway,you tit,i've been a member for longer than you!!! (August 10, 2011 at 1:30 am)nickos777 Wrote: HOLY woah NO. i wouldn't touch that crap after hearing what i've heard about it. rots your face.i may smoke a leetle weed[gods gift to Earth]but i do nothing else.i don't drink.i'm not one for white powder of any sort either.and the only needles that go into my arms are for bloodtests. Well you did start hearing voices. Maybe whatever you did smoke was laced with meth and you didn't know it.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
RE: Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
August 10, 2011 at 4:39 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 4:58 am by nickos777.)
what you may call 'an imaginary voice' takes on a different meaning when it is accompanied by 'dynamic mental imagery'[which cannot be doubted,or so said Berne],which give me the speakers feelings about what they say into my head. e.g.i have heard john travolta[years and years ago],i would tell him[at the same time as i would be telling it to whoever was listening]about my 'beliefs'...he'd just go "pleeease!",or i when i speak to the ash guys[which ihave done for about 14years at least!]they would at first 'appear to be distressed by my thoughts',i.e. i saw the singer[my cousin?] puking down a toilet in 2001,at the same time i'd 'see' the drummer making a gesture with his fingers[drawing a circle in the air[ie.doolally]],then i'd hear the then fourth member of ash,the girl,say "this is all very good for you,but do you have any idea what its doing to tim?"...utterly believable!
also in 2001,i'd hear my 'dad' shout at me things like "you're not my son.you'll never be part of MY family" and "i hate you.i hate you.i hate you.". the problem i have with describing my voices is that they are EXACTLY the kind of things the people would say,the way they'd say them.....i'd see the dynamic mental image make expressions-smile,laugh,weep,etc etc... what a psychiatrist will call 'imaginary voices' are,and always have been,just 'people' to me. i've walked within a metre of Neighbours' Libby[kim valentine] in Reading when i'd finished work at a supermarket there[aged 18],and then,not that i heard any voices from her,but the soap would run a few storylines that seemed 'relevant',in particular,the 'afro harold' storyline,many moons ago[2001 i think]-harold bishop,owner of the coffee shop and member of salation army's band,and a christian,was helped with marketing the coffee shop by his foster son and that guy's friend[tadpole]-they superimposed an afro wig onto a photo of him,and voila-afroharold! this wouldn't have meant anything to me if it hadn't been that i had been nicknamed afroman by fellow students when at school. mere coinicidence???i think not! i was stood outside a shepherd's bush recording studio[work experience when at college] and the blur/gorillaz bassist,alex james was on the other side of the road,on his phone...so i didn't go up to him,but as i recently posted,there are a few blur songs and gorillaz songs which are entirely relevant. and another Label name[ash's funnily enough]-Infectious played a part-i thought that i had been spreading my disease via eye contact,who then spread it thru their eye contact,and so forth.... FREUDIAN psychiatrists call 'universal telepathy' [THERE!another music 'name',ie.universal records]and 'being able to communicate with god[afterlife]' an illness,BECAUSE of what i have already stated about Freud. There is NO way voices are merely 'an illness',but scientists cannot explain them and so they devise lifethreatening drugs to take the voices away....PURE evil,trust me! p.s. i've heard voices from the age of 11.two years before my severe head injury,four years before i even touched tobacco and weed.AND,if you use the rule 'possession is everything' it should tell you that i was MEANT to be hit by the car!!! p.p.s. 'voices'=illness....well,imagine this-had jesus not have allowed judas into his disciples,had he realised that the woman bathing his feet in oil was mocking him[anointed actually means 'to rub with oil' in the dictionary],AND that she was one of the 3 Fates['goddess' from classical mythology who measured the thread of life of man]maybe he wouldn't have been crucified,and obviously Life today would be somewhat different! i.e.Evangelism wouldn't exist,catholicism wouldn't exist,in fact i bet no christianity based religion would. RE: Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
August 10, 2011 at 5:03 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 5:12 am by Faith No More.)
I suggest you read 'The Believing Brain' by Michael Shermer. It deals directly with some of the things you are claiming. What you have to realize is the brain is extremely complex and flawed. It is capable of extreme delusions that can seem 100% real, but they are in fact just products of an imperfect brain. You are operating under the assumption that your senses can be completely trusted, but in reality you must question everything your brain seems to perceive.
Also, you are perceiving patterns in your life that are actually meaningless, such as the meanings behind certain songs, as if they have a bigger significance than they actually do. This is product of evolution, because it was better for survival to perceive patterns that weren't really there as opposed to missing something that really was there. Therefore our minds have been conditioned through evolution to see patterns that aren't really there as a survival mechanism.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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August 10, 2011 at 5:14 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 5:24 am by nickos777.)
(August 10, 2011 at 5:03 am)FaithNoMore Wrote: I suggest you read 'The Believing Brain' by Michael Shermer. It deals directly with some of the things you are claiming. What you have to realize is the brain is extremely complex and flawed. It is capable of extreme delusions that can seem 100% real, but they are in fact just prducts of an imperfect brain. You are operating under the assumption that your senses can be completely trusted, but in reality you must question everything your brain seems to perceive. okay...WHO's told you all that crap? oh,i already know-a scientist!am i right,my heathen friend?look 'heathen' up in the dictionary....'no respect for god'[not jesus/christ etc...] the argument you have given is exactly HOW satan has possessed scientists to develop their THEORIES surrounding the brain and its function. in actuality,doctors/scientists STILL don't know what 90% of the brain is for. and i do know what i'm on about-my psych nurse told me just last year!SHE was catholic too!even she said 'you might be the messiah'!!!MIGHT!!!!! How would YOU explain the idea of 'dreams' then? they are KNOWN to have symbolic meanings to them,hence the dream dictionaries on the market! products of an imperfect brain??!!?? didn't the zeus lightning bolt/star of wonder/shower of gold mean a single thing to you???in the words of danny zucco-'PLEEEASE!!' you can't bullshit a bullshitter!lol! "but in reality you must question everything your brain seems to perceive." i did actually,on my first discharge from psych ward into supported accommodation....at the end of the road with my flat in there was a 'gospel hall'!NO JOKE. RE: Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
August 10, 2011 at 5:25 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 5:27 am by Faith No More.)
That is some epic stupidity you're clinging to there. I tried to counter your views with someone who has actually studied the human brain for decades, but how do you debate someone so stupid they believe anything that contradicts their view of the world as the work of Satan? It's justifications like that that have been holding the human race back for millennia, and it's a level of ignorance that cannot be reasoned with.
You sir, are a moron. (August 10, 2011 at 5:14 am)nickos777 Wrote: ....at the end of the road with my flat in there was a 'gospel hall'!NO JOKE. More flawed pattern perception.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
RE: Evidence for Jesus outside the Bible?
August 10, 2011 at 5:32 am
(This post was last modified: August 10, 2011 at 5:33 am by nickos777.)
(August 10, 2011 at 5:25 am)FaithNoMore Wrote: That is some epic stupidity you're clinging to there. I tried to counter your views with someone who has actually studied the human brain for decades, but how do you debate someone so stupid they believe anything that contradicts their view of the world as the work of Satan? It's justifications like that that have been holding the human race back for millennia, and it's a level of ignorance that cannot be reasoned with. and you,peasantoaf,are obviously on the wrong site for inteklligent debate about atheism,-seems clear you're a clergy shithead,but thats just to me. can't you effing see,that,IF possession is everything,then everything coinidental IS a 'work of god'???you dumbass.
Holy fuck you are stupid. Please sterilize yourself immediately so no one has to deal with your genes being passed on.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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