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The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.

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The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
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#181
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 12:26 pm
(October 19, 2017 at 12:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The qualitative measure needs a qualitative measurer we have a reckoner who maintains who we are

No it doesn't



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#182
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 2:22 pm
(October 19, 2017 at 12:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The qualitative measure needs a qualitative measurer we have a reckoner who maintains who we are, and makes us inherit our deeds, and is the judge and seeing one and witness by which are deeds take form, and it takes form with respect to his reality, and the relationship with the eternal reality.

Re-read this thread,  I supported the thesis, and with reflection, this is easy to realize.

"The qualitative measure" is an undefined construct that has not been proved to exist.  If it does not exist, it cannot need anything.
A reckoner who maintains who we are (+ judge, witness, eternal reality) is an undefined construct that has not been proved to exist.
The problem with the OP, this thread, and this post is that it's a word-salad flight of fancy about an imaginary friend.  It's ok if you think your invisible green and purple-polka-dotted dragon exists if it makes you happy.  But if you start telling us that we have to believe he spits up rainbows, we'd better be able to see and touch him or you're just writing gibberish.
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#183
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 4:50 pm
The sorcerers must've gotten to you already Fuzzy.
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#184
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 5:31 pm
Read the OP.  I supported each thing in this statement in enough detail.
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#185
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 5:35 pm
It would seem that we do not agree, MK.
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#186
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm
(October 19, 2017 at 5:35 pm)Hammy Wrote: It would seem that we do not agree, MK.

Sad, demanded proofs but when presented them, just ignored what you were reminded of, the very proofs in your soul, in every state of your existence, the proof of all you really value in life from a kid to now, all that, as if it doesn't matter.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 10:16 pm (This post was last modified: October 19, 2017 at 10:17 pm by drfuzzy.)
(October 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 19, 2017 at 5:35 pm)Hammy Wrote: It would seem that we do not agree, MK.

Sad, demanded proofs but when presented them, just ignored what you were reminded of, the very proofs in your soul, in every state of your existence, the proof of all you really value in life from a kid to now, all that, as if it doesn't matter.

And we keep telling you that stories and fantasies and "if you'll only give it a chance you'll feel it in your heart" are not proof.  They are unverifiable fantasies.  "You'll feel it in your soul has no value to someone who is convinced that souls don't exist.  We've told you what will be accepted as proof.  You keep pasting walls of gibberish.  No, you haven't presented one millisecond's worth of proof.
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#188
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 10:51 pm
MK, what is your obsession with all this ultimate stuff? Is everything else insignificant? If you can't have ultimate, why bother I guess.
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#189
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 19, 2017 at 10:54 pm
(October 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: the very proofs in your soul

How can proof reside in something non-existent?
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#190
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
October 20, 2017 at 12:06 am
No evidence for souls. Just a superstition made up to ease mortals' fear of death.

Oh, and value is a quality, not a quantity, and it's also subjective rather than objective. Therefore, it's nonsense to talk of "qualitative measure."
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