What's the context? Maybe the people who are confined are really bad people. And if they are why would they allow themselves to be captured? If they were not bad people then they should be if they are ever released.

It isn't torture if your attorney general writes a memo that says so.  I imagine we taught that trick to the Egyptian army.

(October 27, 2017 at 12:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What's the context?  Maybe the people who are confined are really bad people. And if they are why would they allow themselves to be captured?  If they were not bad people then they should be if they are ever released.

The context is that organized torture to silence the masses is practiced widely in the Middle East, and it's the hammer Arab dictators use to silence citizens. Fear is the only thing keeping so many at bay; there's recorded evidence now of what awaits if somebody even talked.

Of course; we'll be tortured and called "bad people". But how can a human do that to their fellow humans during mere "investigation"? Who gives these soldiers the right to do this to people before charges are even payed? not that it's justified after the investigation; but just for the sake of the argument: this torture is all happening during the "interrogation". If somebody did that to me; I'll say anything probably. Even if I didn't do it. I will be cracked from the pain and from the shame. Still; if you were to the M.E; you know that the tough prisoners get even tougher forms of torture; including sexual torture, sexual rape to relatives -especially wives and daughters-, sometimes they even make the prisoners sodomize each other. So; I think that's the context. And all of this is done under the excuse of "interrogation"; but reality is it's only practiced as a hammer to shut down the masses from complaining to the world.

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(October 27, 2017 at 12:29 am)Minimalist Wrote: It isn't torture if your attorney general writes a memo that says so.  I imagine we taught that trick to the Egyptian army.

Now Arab regimes (some at least) do use the corrupted court system to press charges against political foes; and give clearance to certain figures. Law is only practiced against the weak; and mainly used to justify most brutalities done; torture is another way to pull out signatures of acceptance on committing the crimes from the victims.

Quote:Law is only practiced against the weak;

Same here.

(October 27, 2017 at 4:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 27, 2017 at 12:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: What's the context?  Maybe the people who are confined are really bad people. And if they are why would they allow themselves to be captured?  If they were not bad people then they should be if they are ever released.

The context is that organized torture to silence the masses is practiced widely in the Middle East, and it's the hammer Arab dictators use to silence citizens. Fear is the only thing keeping so many at bay; there's recorded evidence now of what awaits if somebody even talked.

Of course; we'll be tortured and called "bad people". But how can a human do that to their fellow humans during mere "investigation"? Who gives these soldiers the right to do this to people before charges are even payed? not that it's justified after the investigation; but just for the sake of the argument: this torture is all happening during the "interrogation". If somebody did that to me; I'll say anything probably. Even if I didn't do it. I will be cracked from the pain and from the shame. Still; if you were to the M.E; you know that the tough prisoners get even tougher forms of torture; including sexual torture, sexual rape to relatives -especially wives and daughters-, sometimes they even make the prisoners sodomize each other. So; I think that's the context. And all of this is done under the excuse of "interrogation"; but reality is it's only practiced as a hammer to shut down the masses from complaining to the world.

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(October 27, 2017 at 12:29 am)Minimalist Wrote: It isn't torture if your attorney general writes a memo that says so.  I imagine we taught that trick to the Egyptian army.

Now Arab regimes (some at least) do use the corrupted court system to press charges against political foes; and give clearance to certain figures. Law is only practiced against the weak; and mainly used to justify most brutalities done; torture is another way to pull out signatures of acceptance on committing the crimes from the victims.

If you want to play with the big guys then you have to be prepared to be completely vicious in order to take them out.  It's silly to hold demonstrations if you will get tortured for such a mild display of disdain toward the government.  At the very least do something that will warrant being tortured.  Then if you win you can torture people who don't like how you are running things.  It's a revolving wheel.  

One day the people under the commies in Europe woke up and said that they were not going to support the commie regimes any more and the regimes simply collapsed.  There was no widespread killing.  As long as you play the game you will always be controlled.  If you want change stop playing the game.

(October 27, 2017 at 11:29 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Law is only practiced against the weak;

Same here.

The army's main figures in each of the Middle East's countries are bought by external forces. Not that it's the outsider's fault; but the corrupted figures begin climbing the ladder of power locally; then to take the top of the pyramid of power they sell their services to the highest buyer from the outside.

In Syria; Russia is the favorite market to sell, Iran is another market too, for Saudi Arabia it's the U.S and Britain, for Egypt it's the U.S, Russia, Europe.
Just like that; for each corrupted fuck there's a market to sell the service.

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(October 27, 2017 at 4:53 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you want to play with the big guys then you have to be prepared to be completely vicious in order to take them out.  It's silly to hold demonstrations if you will get tortured for such a mild display of disdain toward the government.  At the very least do something that will warrant being tortured.  Then if you win you can torture people who don't like how you are running things.  It's a revolving wheel.  

One day the people under the commies in Europe woke up and said that they were not going to support the commie regimes any more and the regimes simply collapsed.  There was no widespread killing.  As long as you play the game you will always be controlled.  If you want change stop playing the game.

The wheel can always be stopped with the adaptation of a proper moral system, and making freedom a reality for each and every person. Back in Feb 2016, I said that anarchy is my way to go:

Quote:AtlasS said:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-41672-p...pid1213269

As for the alternative, well, Anarchy is my way to go.
Let every human rule with the way they want, in their own communities, to hell with borders, nationalities & the mini-wanna be-God governments who control every bit of action we do.

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Anarchy is the concept of taking down this evil. Nobody spoke about you, but if a group of Muslims wanted to live their way, you have no right to deny them that, or else, you are a slaver.

Let every human rule with what they want. That way; wars would end. Destroy every argument and every disgusting lust for control with simply this. Stop the wheel with this.