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A rational explanation for hell?
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 (August 12, 2011 at 11:58 pm)Cinjin Wrote: One could even argue that the harshness and coldness and the limitations of life only add to the immense brutal beauty of it all. Exactly. For example, what makes life precious? Death, and the fact that it is final.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (July 31, 2011 at 4:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I am explaining to you that every observation we have made about life and death leads us to the conlusion that there is no "experience of death". The thing which you call the "self" or mistakenly refer to as the "soul" that has "experiences" is a product of a biological machine. When that biological machine cease to function, you will be unable to experience anything. You will not have use of any of your senses (because they depend on the functions of this machine), and you are no longer producing thought (another function of this machine). You are not "nothing" materially, you have simply ceased functioning, what is so hard to understand about this?Exactly Rhythym, let those who propose a soul or dualism describe exactly what it is, and assuming that that definition includes reference to the immaterial, exactly how the immaterial interfaces with the material. Otherwise it is an appeal to magic. Parsimony and the available evidence would lead us to conclude that we are indeed biological machines and that the mind and brain are connected.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
 (August 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:I wouldn't say hope but an acceptance that is hope. Something additional to my life.(August 12, 2011 at 8:41 pm)C Rod Wrote: The last part should say ",well" not ",will". I am grasping at a truth of reality and importance. I think when talking about importance or known reality, analogies are just an easy dodge to persuade any real consideration. But like Rhythm said, when he couldn't reply back with a observational answer, "Somebody has to come back from the dead to tell you what the experience is like." And im like yea. We see death and we see that it is final. But i want to know what the experience is like, the actual death. But he could not tell me so he dodged with that conclusion. If death is like this why don't you fight it or go all out. Or sense there are many claims of an afterlife then it should be considered. Comparing the "teapot" to the testimonies of men about a God is what gets me. That analogy may be a comparable one sense there is no observational proof but one is extensively detailed and one is a mere idea told for logical purposes. But an atheists will fight for the atheist agenda.
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart "You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 14, 2011 at 9:53 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2011 at 9:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I never dodge troll.
Your arguments and objections would receive less of my attention if they weren't so profoundly ignorant.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(August 14, 2011 at 9:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I never dodge troll. Very but what are you gonna do. Wait... but come to the conclusion of "crazy" and ask for physical evidence of the metaphysical.
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart "You are wise, witty and wonderful, but you spend too much time reading this sort of stuff.”- Frank Crane  RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 14, 2011 at 11:21 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2011 at 11:22 pm by Epimethean.)
Well, since there is no, and has never been, such evidence of a god as anything other than a human construct, why do you remain stuck in your groove, CRod? You say it isn't hope, but that is all it CAN be.
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(August 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm)C Rod Wrote: Or sense there are many claims of an afterlife then it should be considered. This is where you are very wrong my friend. Many people make many claims to many different things, but that is no reason to consider something. One must use logic and reasoning to determine the existence of an afterlife. Using these tools one, can only come to the conclusion that it his a human construct to deal with a temporary existence. C Rod Wrote:Comparing the "teapot" to the testimonies of men about a God is what gets me. That analogy may be a comparable one sense there is no observational proof but one is extensively detailed and one is a mere idea told for logical purposes. But an atheists will fight for the atheist agenda. Extensively detailed? Just because something can be described does not make it valid. That is the point of the teapot. Also Greek mythology is just as extensively detailed so it must be just as valid according to your argument. And I'm not sure what you mean by atheist agenda. The only agenda atheists have that I am aware of is to get people to live in reality.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2011 at 1:17 am by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:And I'm not sure what you mean by atheist agenda. The only agenda atheists have that I am aware of is to get people to live in reality. Actually there's no such thing as an atheist agenda. Atheism is about belief, lack of belief to be precise. An atheists is only a person who does not believe in gods. NOTHING else is implied or may be inferred. My atheism was an inevitable conclusion(an effect,not a cause) of my skepticism. IE I began demanding answers,especially in the form of credible evidence.I found none in over 20 years of searching. That theist apologists are unable or unwilling to understand is not my problem. I have no desire to even try to disabuse anyone of anything.There are two reasons (1) Nothing as prosaic as reason or evidence will change the position of the dogmatic believer and (2) I REALLY, TRULY,could not give a flying wooly fuck about the personal superstitions of others. (as long as they stay out of my face)  RE: A rational explanation for hell?
August 15, 2011 at 6:24 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2011 at 6:26 am by KichigaiNeko.)
(August 15, 2011 at 1:16 am)padraic Wrote:Quote:And I'm not sure what you mean by atheist agenda. The only agenda atheists have that I am aware of is to get people to live in reality. woolly has two "L's" in it I think..but I totally agree with you pad!  Hel is a deity construct and a very "nice person" (for a given value of nice) The hell of theology is the darkest places in your own mind where no one can hear you scream Ergo= It's all in your own mind.....get over it. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Imaginary friends and cosmic theme parks.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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