God has taken upon himself to be sufficient as a guide and sufficient as a helper and the means he does so is through a revelation that extends to all (Resalah) and connects to the highest (Nubuwa) coupled with Leaders who guide by his command (Imama) who are the witnesses by which we are to see.

Then he assigned himself a task he wasn't equipped for and failed as predictably as such a ludicrous scheme always would have.  It's okay, we all do it sometimes..............................

Valuing things with the proper value they are due is true love. That is the definition of justice as well. Justice is giving everything it's proper due. That is why Quran when it talks about loving non-Muslims, says it's only those who fight us for the sake of our religion that we are forbidden to love and says as, for the rest, God has not forbidden us to do justice to them, meaning it is an act of justice to love them.

It looks like allah forgot to CC a few people on that one. Your "enlightenment" would probably be more useful among them, than among us...don't you think?

(November 5, 2017 at 10:02 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Valuing things with the proper value they are due is true love. That is the definition of justice as well. Justice is giving everything it's proper due. That is why Quran when it talks about loving non-Muslims, says it's only those who fight us for the sake of our religion that we are forbidden to love and says as, for the rest, God has not forbidden us to do justice to them, meaning it is an act of justice to love them.

I told you to stop it with the "value" stuff.

Its starting to get a little irritating.

(November 5, 2017 at 11:59 am)Khemikal Wrote: Your "enlightenment" would probably be more useful among them, than among us...don't you think?

I don't think so.

كَيْفَ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ قَوْمًا كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَشَهِدُوا أَنَّ الرَّسُولَ حَقٌّ وَجَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ {86}

[Shakir 3:86] How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust people.




They are far gone beyond repair. They testify to Quran yet turn away from its guidance. They talk about Sunnah, but do not care if they mixed falsehood with the true interpretation of the Prophet and mixed the beautiful Sunnah with ugly falsehood and lies with no fear of God in doing so.

They have no objectivity to only say regarding God the truth and think God has allowed them to attribute him and his religion all sorts of falsehood.

They mix leadership of disgusting souls with the leadership that God has taken himself to guide humanity through, an authority that belongs to him, and is to be manifested by him.

كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً فَبَعَثَ اللَّهُ النَّبِيِّينَ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنْذِرِينَ وَأَنْزَلَ مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ فِيمَا اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ ۚ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ فِيهِ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ أُوتُوهُ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا جَاءَتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ ۖ فَهَدَى اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَا اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ مِنَ الْحَقِّ بِإِذْنِهِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ إِلَىٰ صِرَاطٍ مُسْتَقِيمٍ {213}

[Shakir 2:213] (All) people are a single nation; so Allah raised prophets as bearers of good news and as warners, and He revealed with them the Book with truth, that it might judge between people in that in which they differed; and none but the very people who were given it differed about it after clear arguments had come to them, revolting among themselves; so Allah has guided by His will those who believe to the truth about which they differed and Allah guides whom He pleases to the right path.




You guys actually believe in verifying with proofs in theory and only follow things with reason in theory.  

I said this before on facebook:

Reason without revelation will not reach its full potential but it is much better than interpreting revelation without reasoning properly.

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(November 5, 2017 at 12:28 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 5, 2017 at 10:02 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Valuing things with the proper value they are due is true love. That is the definition of justice as well. Justice is giving everything it's proper due. That is why Quran when it talks about loving non-Muslims, says it's only those who fight us for the sake of our religion that we are forbidden to love and says as, for the rest, God has not forbidden us to do justice to them, meaning it is an act of justice to love them.

I told you to stop it with the "value" stuff.

Its starting to get a little irritating.

I won't stop.  You probably find it irritating because it is constantly reminding you of a vision you rely on that proves God.

(November 5, 2017 at 1:29 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: They are far gone beyond repair. They testify to Quran yet turn away from its guidance.

-and I don't need it...so just how useful is this guidance anyway?  

It doesn't help people who do believe, and it offers nothing to people who don't.

(November 5, 2017 at 1:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 5, 2017 at 1:29 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: They are far gone beyond repair. They testify to Quran yet turn away from its guidance.

-and I don't need it...so just how useful is this guidance anyway?  

It doesn't help people who do believe, and it offers nothing to people who don't.

The usefulness is that it helps some people who otherwise had little chance, and if there is any chance of humans to unite on justice and truth, it will be through guidance from God.

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And guidance from God is getting us to reflect and see truths upon truths, levels upon levels. At no stage do we follow without knowledge and insight, and follow means you pay attention to the light through those who God has manifested their purity and you recite the Quran through reflecting over their words regarding it, and everything they state is about its interpretation, in some form or another.

It doesn't mean just listen blindly, rather, obey and says hear with your heart and obey once you understand and know the truth.

(November 5, 2017 at 1:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The usefulness is that it helps some people who otherwise had little chance, and if there is any chance of humans to unite on justice and truth, it will be through guidance from God.

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"Guidance from god" doesn't seem to unite anyone.  It actively promotes the very thing it purports to solve.

Your god is an abject failure, MK.