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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm
Khemikal Wrote:They did, however, make a mountain of claims subject to scientific scrutiny.
They never claimed it can withstand scientific scrutiny. You're going to see a lot of claims everywhere(like Harry Potter has a magic wand) but unless they claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny it doesn't make sense to subject them to scientific scrutiny. If that were the case anything and everything can be subject to scientific scrutiny even if they never claimed they can withstand it. Say you do subject something that never claimed it can withstand scientific scrutiny to scientific scrutiny and then you get the result that it cannot withstand scientific scrutiny - what did you achieve? You achieved nothing because guess what you proved something they NEVER claimed! It's meaningless.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 10:50 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 10:49 am)Mathilda Wrote: So you're happy with the statement that if something is a religious work then it is a work of fiction. Glad we've cleared that up.
Works of fiction and religious works are COMPLETELY different.
Really? How so?
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 11:18 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 11:15 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We have fossil trilobites. We don't have fossil angels.
You just said "Sorry, but until you do find evidence then it's unproven." but you won't apply that standard here...
We have evidence for trilobites, fossils. We don't have evidence for angels, n fossils.
Your pettifogging is tedious.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm
Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:And your first premise is still unsound, as has been explained to you ad nauseum.
Quote:Name one situation where subjecting something that doesn't claim it is a scientific work or doesn't claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny to scientific scrutiny is acceptable?
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 2:25 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:And your first premise is still unsound, as has been explained to you ad nauseum.
Quote:Name one situation where subjecting something that doesn't claim it is a scientific work or doesn't claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny to scientific scrutiny is acceptable?
Anywhere an existential claim about reality is made, such as the existence of unicorns, bigfoot, or gods.
You've been told this before.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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Geez, pool is reaching huggy-levels of obstinate circularity.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:32 pm
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Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:Anywhere an existential claim about reality is made, such as the existence of unicorns, bigfoot, or gods.
That doesn't make any sense then you'll have to subject all the movies, comics etc to scientific scrutiny even though they never claimed they can withstand scientific scrutiny.
Quote:They never claimed it can withstand scientific scrutiny. You're going to see a lot of claims everywhere(like Harry Potter has a magic wand) but unless they claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny it doesn't make sense to subject them to scientific scrutiny. If that were the case anything and everything can be subject to scientific scrutiny even if they never claimed they can withstand it. Say you do subject something that never claimed it can withstand scientific scrutiny to scientific scrutiny and then you get the result that it cannot withstand scientific scrutiny - what did you achieve? You achieved nothing because guess what you proved something they NEVER claimed! It's meaningless.
(November 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Geez, pool is reaching huggy-levels of obstinate circularity.
Seriously dude just stop alright? You've contributed your part but now you're not contributing anything other than poking fun at me, not cool, please just stop.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:33 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 2:32 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:Anywhere an existential claim about reality is made, such as the existence of unicorns, bigfoot, or gods.
That doesn't make any sense then you'll have to subject all the movies, comics etc to scientific scrutiny even though they never claimed they can withstand scientific scrutiny.
OK, pool, what sort of evidence would you require to believe a claim that I have a mint Superman #1 in my possession?
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:33 pm
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Well if you're comparing the bible to harry potter and comic books, we're halfway there!
(November 9, 2017 at 2:32 pm)pool the matey Wrote:
(November 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Geez, pool is reaching huggy-levels of obstinate circularity.
Seriously dude just stop alright? You've contributed your part but now you're not contributing anything other than poking fun at me, not cool, please just stop.
I'm simply reiterating that your argument and reasoning is entirely circular. It's illogic is simple and blatant.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2017 at 2:46 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(November 9, 2017 at 2:13 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Aroura Wrote:No one is claiming the bible is a scientific text. That's your strawman.
I'm not saying you actually say that Bible is a scientific text. I'm saying it's a soft claim you make when you demand scientific evidence from a religious text--
Literally no one here is demanding scientific evidence from the Bible. That doesn't even make sense. You're simply asserting it, when actual atheists are telling you, right now, that they are NOT making that claim. Straw, Pool. We can, however, demand scientific evidence for the truth of its claims.
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