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Problems with atheism
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I was unaware there was a distinction between the two.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
It's a fine line, I wouldn't believe it either had I not grown up around some awesome priests.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (August 17, 2011 at 3:31 pm)Godnose Wrote:(August 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm)Cinjin Wrote: You are the only one here who needs to calm down big fella. Also, exactly what "dogma" are you referring to????? LOL the "dogma" that atheists groups do exist? LMAO --- you need to have something to at least get mad about before ranting. well, if you read my post you will see that they were questions not statements, and since I'm the only one who asked them - there was no group "ganging up on you" which means you can direct your anger solely at me. I spotted a red flag that may have turned out to be a false flag, none the less, I was not attacking you. Should you feel offended by this, there's little I can do about that - just know that even the old hands argue and debate with other old hands and you should probably get use to the nature of the occasional aggressive banter around here. That being said ... by all means please continue with your love of the Cloth and members of strict religious dogma that have been hampering the world's enlightenment for 2000 years. You certainly have the right to do that on these forums. ![[Image: Evolution.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i1118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk619%2Fjcincain%2FPublic%2FEvolution.png)  
Are priests not authority figures? Is this not the intended role?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(August 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's a fine line, I wouldn't believe it either had I not grown up around some awesome priests. Did they love you long time?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Lol, mild neglect I suppose. My father did all of their landscaping, and the catholic high school was on diocese grounds, big plot in the middle of town. I ended up spending the days in the church AC while he mowed and weeded and whatnot. Good times.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(August 17, 2011 at 4:58 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote:(August 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's a fine line, I wouldn't believe it either had I not grown up around some awesome priests. I wasn't catholic but the ministers that I grew up with, and there were many, seemed to always turn out to be two-faced bastards stealing from the church or having affairs our burning down the attached elementary school (that actually happened), and all manner of sinful deeds in between. So yeah, I'm not a big fan of any authority figure attached to any persuasion of christianity. RE: Problems with atheism
August 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2011 at 5:57 pm by Godnose.)
(August 17, 2011 at 4:42 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: Godnose, the comments about being a sheep in wolf's clothing aren't really about your ideas in particular but more about us not really knowing your true views. Read my posts. They are my true views. If you choose to believe they are not, that is your problem not mine. Quote:We are weary of anyone that just jumps right in with ideas such as yours who haven't been around long enough for us to know you. Every week someone jumps in here spouting their ideas and condemning anyone who thinks differently. Sorry - didn't realise it was an exclusive club. Thought it was all about freedom of expression and stuff. So all these people have been suggesting atheist churches, have they? Quote: These people have no intentions of having meaningful debate or sticking around to have real discussion, so that makes us skeptical of people that don't try to get to know everyone here first before declaring their new ideas. It's a forum not a WI club. People come and go. That's the nature of a forum. Quote:Our reaction has little to do with your idea, and more to do with how you've presented it. In that case I think you have a problem and suggest you re-think your attitude. Not everyone can be a literary genius! Quote: Don't take it personally, but we get a lot of this around here. Well if everyone gets slagged-off off as soon as they open their mouths then I'm not surprised people get miffed! Quote:I do understand what you mean about many atheists lacking desire for spiritual growth, but that is a personal issue anyway, so I don't think a community would solve that. It could help. Quote:As far as moral guidance goes, I think you are making a false correlation between a position of authority and wisdom. Nope. I asked for advice and got it. Basically I guess what I actually wanted was someone I could trust to be discreet who I could bounce my thoughts off. And I have found vicars etc to be pretty useful that way. Only it seems I "not allowed" to say anything nice about vicars because this is an atheist forum. At least that's the impression I'm getting, and it sucks. Quote: Atheists don't need a dedicated advisor to dispense guidance and wisdom .... putting words into my mouth here aren't you? When did I say anything about "wisdom"? I said "advice". Advice - advice, you know, that stuff you don't have to take if you don't want to. Quote:Talking to clergy gives you a false sense of compassion anyway. Not something one could say about fora!  Quote:The priest may genuinely care about you, but he does so because god told him to. Er ... I though god doesn't exist. So how can he have been told it by god? Anyway, what's the problem? He still at least goes through the motions of caring, which is more than most folk do! Quote: Meeting people who you can share things with is an important part of life, and just declaring someone a 'priest' is taking a shortcut to finding meaningful relationships. Can't disagree with that. That's basically the idea isn't it? That a priest (whatever) is supposed to be a universal friend. Quote:If you have trouble meeting people real life, as I do, there's always places like this on the internet. If this is the only alternative then may the gods help us!  PS: Anyone got any problems with atheism? Or solutions? All this stuff about how nice (or not) priests are is very interesting, but somewhat off topic IMHO.
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