Salutations sodomites, 

So there I was, crushing the queep at work today, when CL sends me a text about this thread and thought it would be cool if I could offer my input. Oh brother. Well, I don't really know what to say other than, yes, I do agree with what my wife has been saying. I'm not saying it's easy or necessary, though I do think it's a noble ideal worth striving for, for a number of reasons: 

1. It hurts CL. If there's anything in my life that can do harm to my wife, I do everything I can to prevent it. I love CL more than anything and take my commitment to her very seriously, including taking care of all her needs. In the grand scheme of things, should porn really be that difficult to go without? I mean, the human race somehow managed to make do before Gutenburg showed up, right? (Standing by for some history nerd to correct me). 

2. It manipulates my brain. Literally. Offhand, and with CL waiting for me in the other room (mostly the latter), I don't have any references to share, but I'm sure you can find them if you please. Long story short, it can create an addiction to orgasms (more specifically, that one chemical in the brain associated with pleasure). Like a drug addiction, it can alter how the brain functions and create a dependency. Of course, having lots of sex with CL can do the same thing, but I'd argue a sex addiction to my wife is loads (see what I did there?) better than a sex addiction to my hand. 

3. It alters society's view and behavior toward women. Rape culture? How about we just elected a president who was recorded saying he can grab women by the pussy because he's famous? Better yet, how about the classic - she was asking for it; look how she was dressed! I'm sure we all can agree - a woman's apparel (or lack thereof) says nothing about whether she wants to have sex with the first dude to say hello, and yet, a woman's apparel has a direct impact on how she gets treated. Naturally, a certain amount of that is due to men being wired the way we are. But I think more and more commonly men (and adolescent boys) are un-learning how to associate with women outside of a sexual relationship. Am I the only guy here who can count on one hand the number of girls I was friends with in high school that I didn't first try to pursue as more than a friend? Yes, yes, a large portion of this is nature over nurture, but I have a hard time believing porn doesn't play a part too. 

3b. It alters women's view of themselves. Knowing full well that their men are regularly consuming (consumed by?) porn, women have to up the sex appeal everywhere and up the ante in the bedroom just to keep their man's attention. On the surface, this might not seem so bad. I mean, both parties win: men get more eye-candy and bedroom fun, and their women get more attention more often (oh, and more bedroom fun). Both of these are things men and women crave on an instinctual level. Scratch beneath the surface though, and what we really have are men (or should I say boys?) betraying their women on a deep emotional level - a person's need to be loved and desired for who she is.

4. It drives a wedge in the future of the relationship. Sure, many women are able to compete with porn stars for their man's attention while they're young, but what about when they turn 40? 50? 60? I admit I'm not an expert on Hugh Hefner, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of him with a woman beyond her mid 30s (and that's a generous assumption) even into his 70s and beyond. Ok fine, he's an outlier, but how many men today would honestly pass up the opportunity to live his life if they could? Do older men look at porn of older women? I doubt it. If couples allow themselves to accept porn as normal/healthy/whatever, I think it sets them up for a future that's complicated at best. Sure, older women want their man to have satisfaction, and might not mind how he finds it (within the confines of the relationship), but surely the relationship would be a lot stronger if the couple was able to form their sexual desires around their attraction to each other. 

5. It has created an industry that preys on naive young women. There are numerous porn-related documentaries on netflix addressing this very issue. It's sickening, really. And as a military man with a bit of a hero complex, it makes my blood boil. 

I have one life to live, and I want it to live it the very best that I can, in every way. I want my life to have meaning, and I want others' lives to have meaning to me. I want to know people and be known on a level that's more than skin-deep. I want to give myself to CL completely, as she gives herself to me, and I want us to grow old together knowing that at the end of it all, for better or worse, we gave each other our all, and our simple all was more than enough.     

I told him I've posted pics of him here before, but he still insisted on not showing his face lol.

(December 20, 2017 at 11:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So I asked Mr CL to put in his 2 cents and he's currently putting in his 50 lol.

There's free porn on the internet so paying 50 cents for it is a bit unnecessary . . .

(December 20, 2017 at 10:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why should anyone care what the Bible says?

Because the Bible is a religious text, we're in the religion section, and the OP asked about religious views.

(December 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 19, 2017 at 1:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I'm wondering why the fuck it is your business what someone does with their privates behind closed doors.

To be fair, he's not the one who started this thread. He's only responding to it. You do raise an interesting point though, and I think it would be much better applied to the person who actually started this thread.

Yeah except I'm not the one that wants to control everyone's vaginas and penises

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(December 20, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Mr C_L Wrote: Salutations sodomites, 

So there I was, crushing the queep at work today, when CL sends me a text about this thread and thought it would be cool if I could offer my input. Oh brother. Well, I don't really know what to say other than, yes, I do agree with what my wife has been saying. I'm not saying it's easy or necessary, though I do think it's a noble ideal worth striving for, for a number of reasons: 

1. It hurts CL. If there's anything in my life that can do harm to my wife, I do everything I can to prevent it. I love CL more than anything and take my commitment to her very seriously, including taking care of all her needs. In the grand scheme of things, should porn really be that difficult to go without? I mean, the human race somehow managed to make do before Gutenburg showed up, right? (Standing by for some history nerd to correct me). 

2. It manipulates my brain. Literally. Offhand, and with CL waiting for me in the other room (mostly the latter), I don't have any references to share, but I'm sure you can find them if you please. Long story short, it can create an addiction to orgasms (more specifically, that one chemical in the brain associated with pleasure). Like a drug addiction, it can alter how the brain functions and create a dependency. Of course, having lots of sex with CL can do the same thing, but I'd argue a sex addiction to my wife is loads (see what I did there?) better than a sex addiction to my hand. 

3. It alters society's view and behavior toward women. Rape culture? How about we just elected a president who was recorded saying he can grab women by the pussy because he's famous? Better yet, how about the classic - she was asking for it; look how she was dressed! I'm sure we all can agree - a woman's apparel (or lack thereof) says nothing about whether she wants to have sex with the first dude to say hello, and yet, a woman's apparel has a direct impact on how she gets treated. Naturally, a certain amount of that is due to men being wired the way we are. But I think more and more commonly men (and adolescent boys) are un-learning how to associate with women outside of a sexual relationship. Am I the only guy here who can count on one hand the number of girls I was friends with in high school that I didn't first try to pursue as more than a friend? Yes, yes, a large portion of this is nature over nurture, but I have a hard time believing porn doesn't play a part too. 

3b. It alters women's view of themselves. Knowing full well that their men are regularly consuming (consumed by?) porn, women have to up the sex appeal everywhere and up the ante in the bedroom just to keep their man's attention. On the surface, this might not seem so bad. I mean, both parties win: men get more eye-candy and bedroom fun, and their women get more attention more often (oh, and more bedroom fun). Both of these are things men and women crave on an instinctual level. Scratch beneath the surface though, and what we really have are men (or should I say boys?) betraying their women on a deep emotional level - a person's need to be loved and desired for who she is.

4. It drives a wedge in the future of the relationship. Sure, many women are able to compete with porn stars for their man's attention while they're young, but what about when they turn 40? 50? 60? I admit I'm not an expert on Hugh Hefner, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of him with a woman beyond her mid 30s (and that's a generous assumption) even into his 70s and beyond. Ok fine, he's an outlier, but how many men today would honestly pass up the opportunity to live his life if they could? Do older men look at porn of older women? I doubt it. If couples allow themselves to accept porn as normal/healthy/whatever, I think it sets them up for a future that's complicated at best. Sure, older women want their man to have satisfaction, and might not mind how he finds it (within the confines of the relationship), but surely the relationship would be a lot stronger if the couple was able to form their sexual desires around their attraction to each other. 

5. It has created an industry that preys on naive young women. There are numerous porn-related documentaries on netflix addressing this very issue. It's sickening, really. And as a military man with a bit of a hero complex, it makes my blood boil. 

I have one life to live, and I want it to live it the very best that I can, in every way. I want my life to have meaning, and I want others' lives to have meaning to me. I want to know people and be known on a level that's more than skin-deep. I want to give myself to CL completely, as she gives herself to me, and I want us to grow old together knowing that at the end of it all, for better or worse, we gave each other our all, and our simple all was more than enough.     

What a fucking moron you are. Have you ever heard of moderation? Also, a married man watching porn? Something else has to be going on in that relationship.

(December 21, 2017 at 11:28 am)It_Was_me Wrote:

(December 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To be fair, he's not the one who started this thread. He's only responding to it. You do raise an interesting point though, and I think it would be much better applied to the person who actually started this thread.

Yeah except I'm not the one that wants to control everyone's vaginas and penises

We're not either, as far as I'm aware. You're the one who started this thread taking issue with what we believe about sexual morality and how we strive to live by that ideal.

I'm not sure why anyone would be bothered by people choosing not to look at porn for ethical reasons. As I said, if you want to, go ahead. No one here is trying to stop you.

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(December 21, 2017 at 11:28 am)It_Was_me Wrote:

(December 20, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Mr C_L Wrote: Salutations sodomites, 

So there I was, crushing the queep at work today, when CL sends me a text about this thread and thought it would be cool if I could offer my input. Oh brother. Well, I don't really know what to say other than, yes, I do agree with what my wife has been saying. I'm not saying it's easy or necessary, though I do think it's a noble ideal worth striving for, for a number of reasons: 

1. It hurts CL. If there's anything in my life that can do harm to my wife, I do everything I can to prevent it. I love CL more than anything and take my commitment to her very seriously, including taking care of all her needs. In the grand scheme of things, should porn really be that difficult to go without? I mean, the human race somehow managed to make do before Gutenburg showed up, right? (Standing by for some history nerd to correct me). 

2. It manipulates my brain. Literally. Offhand, and with CL waiting for me in the other room (mostly the latter), I don't have any references to share, but I'm sure you can find them if you please. Long story short, it can create an addiction to orgasms (more specifically, that one chemical in the brain associated with pleasure). Like a drug addiction, it can alter how the brain functions and create a dependency. Of course, having lots of sex with CL can do the same thing, but I'd argue a sex addiction to my wife is loads (see what I did there?) better than a sex addiction to my hand. 

3. It alters society's view and behavior toward women. Rape culture? How about we just elected a president who was recorded saying he can grab women by the pussy because he's famous? Better yet, how about the classic - she was asking for it; look how she was dressed! I'm sure we all can agree - a woman's apparel (or lack thereof) says nothing about whether she wants to have sex with the first dude to say hello, and yet, a woman's apparel has a direct impact on how she gets treated. Naturally, a certain amount of that is due to men being wired the way we are. But I think more and more commonly men (and adolescent boys) are un-learning how to associate with women outside of a sexual relationship. Am I the only guy here who can count on one hand the number of girls I was friends with in high school that I didn't first try to pursue as more than a friend? Yes, yes, a large portion of this is nature over nurture, but I have a hard time believing porn doesn't play a part too. 

3b. It alters women's view of themselves. Knowing full well that their men are regularly consuming (consumed by?) porn, women have to up the sex appeal everywhere and up the ante in the bedroom just to keep their man's attention. On the surface, this might not seem so bad. I mean, both parties win: men get more eye-candy and bedroom fun, and their women get more attention more often (oh, and more bedroom fun). Both of these are things men and women crave on an instinctual level. Scratch beneath the surface though, and what we really have are men (or should I say boys?) betraying their women on a deep emotional level - a person's need to be loved and desired for who she is.

4. It drives a wedge in the future of the relationship. Sure, many women are able to compete with porn stars for their man's attention while they're young, but what about when they turn 40? 50? 60? I admit I'm not an expert on Hugh Hefner, but I don't think I've ever seen a picture of him with a woman beyond her mid 30s (and that's a generous assumption) even into his 70s and beyond. Ok fine, he's an outlier, but how many men today would honestly pass up the opportunity to live his life if they could? Do older men look at porn of older women? I doubt it. If couples allow themselves to accept porn as normal/healthy/whatever, I think it sets them up for a future that's complicated at best. Sure, older women want their man to have satisfaction, and might not mind how he finds it (within the confines of the relationship), but surely the relationship would be a lot stronger if the couple was able to form their sexual desires around their attraction to each other. 

5. It has created an industry that preys on naive young women. There are numerous porn-related documentaries on netflix addressing this very issue. It's sickening, really. And as a military man with a bit of a hero complex, it makes my blood boil. 

I have one life to live, and I want it to live it the very best that I can, in every way. I want my life to have meaning, and I want others' lives to have meaning to me. I want to know people and be known on a level that's more than skin-deep. I want to give myself to CL completely, as she gives herself to me, and I want us to grow old together knowing that at the end of it all, for better or worse, we gave each other our all, and our simple all was more than enough.     

What a fucking moron you are. Have you ever heard of moderation? Also, a married man watching porn? Something else has to be going on in that relationship.

Umm what? He doesn't look at porn. Did you read anything he said? His list were all the reasons why he chooses NOT to lol.

And what a real dick you are, calling my husband a moron. He came in here and gave HIS reasons because I asked him to answer YOUR stupid fucking question.

(December 21, 2017 at 9:00 am)alpha male Wrote:

(December 20, 2017 at 10:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why should anyone care what the Bible says?

Because the Bible is a religious text, we're in the religion section, and the OP asked about religious views.

She asked why SHOULD anyone care, not why WOULD anyone care.

The point is not whether religious people in the religion section care about religion. Obviously they do, but they shouldn't.

What a Wookie.

It's like if Tim Tebow were a couple. You two seem like disgustingly wonderful people.

(December 21, 2017 at 11:34 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 11:28 am)It_Was_me Wrote: Yeah except I'm not the one that wants to control everyone's vaginas and penises

We're not either, as far as I'm aware. You're the one who started this thread taking issue with what we believe about sexual morality and how we strive to live by that ideal.

I'm not sure why anyone would be bothered by people choosing not to look at porn for ethical reasons. As I said, if you want to, go ahead. No one here is trying to stop you.

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(December 21, 2017 at 11:28 am)It_Was_me Wrote: What a fucking moron you are. Have you ever heard of moderation? Also, a married man watching porn? Something else has to be going on in that relationship.

Umm what? He doesn't look at porn. Did you read anything he said? His list were all the reasons why he chooses NOT to lol.

And what a real dick you are, calling my husband a moron. He came in here and gave HIS reasons because I asked him to answer YOUR stupid fucking question.

Well, it kind of was moronic what he posted. Just be honest. Isn't that a desired trait within the Christian community? Or is that just another thing you have cherry picked out of your fairy tale book? Also, I'm not the one that belongs to a faith that is notorious for harboring pedophiles. I am mostly focusing on the religious institutions themselves, not those within it. Seems you are getting a bit uppity about this. Perhaps you dislike it when people call out religion for it's bullshit? So I'm not bothered when people MAKE THEIR OWN conscious decision to not look at porn. I'm the same way with alcohol. However, I do not do it because some crusty man tells me not to. I do it because it is my body, my choice. Morality has nothing to do with it.