(December 24, 2017 at 8:10 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 3:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I had no idea you 2 didnt like each other.

As for myself, I can't stand Khem. Have him on ignore.

I’m fairly sure Thump and Thena are/have been bumping uglies. At some point, I pissed off one of them and ta-da. He’s a little haughty for me, but I’d be sad if he wasn’t around to razz.

Oh look, Mommy....A pig in yoga pants!

And it types!

(December 25, 2017 at 9:15 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 8:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: When I was in high school and we were all getting counseled on choosing a career path for college, I never once felt any pressure to do anything or not do anything in particular. If I had wanted to be a surgeon, there wouldn't have been a single person trying to stop me. Much the opposite actually, I think people would have highly encouraged it.

This was definitely the case with me, growing up in the 60s-70s. I think this is a good example of social progress. I had more than one person tell me, no lie, that I should not go to college, that I was taking a seat away from a man, and that I would just end up having kids and staying home anyway, so it was a waste of time and money. I was steered toward "Secretary school" and more female-related jobs, even though it was always clear to me and everyone around me that I wanted to pursue veterinary medicine. 

Fortunately, I was aware of how ludicrous that was, but not all girls my age were.

Yep, mine was in the 2000's. Girls were very much encouraged to go to college by that time. I actually felt pressure to get a degree for a white collar job when I didn't want one. I wanted to be a flight attendant, but I felt I pressured to go to 4 year college and get a proper professional "career". Well the career part never happened. Just not my thing, personally, and I wish I had put my foot down and taken courses for a more low key type job rather than trying to be someone I wasnt.

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(December 25, 2017 at 9:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 9:15 pm)Mermaid Wrote: This was definitely the case with me, growing up in the 60s-70s. I think this is a good example of social progress. I had more than one person tell me, no lie, that I should not go to college, that I was taking a seat away from a man, and that I would just end up having kids and staying home anyway, so it was a waste of time and money. I was steered toward "Secretary school" and more female-related jobs, even though it was always clear to me and everyone around me that I wanted to pursue veterinary medicine. 

Fortunately, I was aware of how ludicrous that was, but not all girls my age were.

Unfortunately, still happens in this day and age. My sister is the latest target of "go get married to a nice man and have a family, forget college and all that" mentality. And if it werent for me backing her up, shed still have an adult curfew imposed upon her even though this isnt the case for any of my brothers who still live with their parents.

Not my experience at all.

Not my experience either. Even muslim girls are encouraged to get jobs, my Muslim friend and a Christian friend from high school are both Air hostess, about 70% of my girl friends are trying hard to land a programming job, others are doing MBA, others doing M TECH, I mean this is from a third world country, a place where this patriarchy thing is supposed to be very powerful. So I don't understand how women living in first world countries can have so much problems, are the men in these countries that terrible?

I mean, at some point people have to admit women in first world countries don't go for high skill, high tension jobs because...they don't have to.. Given the economic prosperity they're not going to starve, are they? So there is little pressure. I mean, if it bothers people that much that other women aren't going into these professions just do it yourself, or encourage your little girls to aspire to be CEOs, doctors, engineers and encourage your little boys to do menial jobs....that should level the playing field. /s

(December 26, 2017 at 10:39 am)pool the matey Wrote: Not my experience either. Even muslim girls are encouraged to get jobs, my Muslim friend and a Christian friend from high school are both Air hostess, about 70% of my girl friends are trying hard to land a programming job, others are doing MBA, others doing M TECH, I mean this is from a third world country, a place where this patriarchy thing is supposed to be very powerful. So I don't understand how women living in first world countries can have so much problems, are the men in these countries that terrible?

We dont. And no, they arent.

(December 26, 2017 at 7:25 am)Thena323 Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 8:10 pm)Shell B Wrote: I’m fairly sure Thump and Thena are/have been bumping uglies. At some point, I pissed off one of them and ta-da. He’s a little haughty for me, but I’d be sad if he wasn’t around to razz.

Oh look, Mommy....A pig in yoga pants!

And it types!

But I’m not even wearing yoga pants.

Quote:We dont. And no, they arent.

They overarchingly and culturally do . And they are.

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Quote:Not my experience at all.

Which does not mean much

But, but... nah, I completely agree. Thanks, LP.

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I certainly don't think that women in the US have it "as bad they've ever it", or as bad as women living in many other regions of the world do. However, quiet complacency is a wholly inappropriate response to being afforded an upgrade from second-class citizenship after long fought decades of struggle; Especially in a nation as young as the US. 

As long as there exists an element within society that seeks to see those rights scaled back (and we KNOW that there is), then maintaining a degree of vigilance is justifiable, reasonable, and likely necessary. And tbh, the rhetoric of "You got your cake, now shut up" pretty much suggests a resentment and acrimony, that only further denotes the need for watchfulness and vigilance, at least to my mind. In my view in regards to life as a US citizen, feminism is largely a matter of "minding the shop" in the absence of the women and men who fought, died, and put everything on the line for the upgrade. 

Not hating, blaming, or ignoring men, or demanding that folks assume pet labels.