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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 12:48 am
Pad, as far as zero being difficult to understand. Zero as part of a system of arithmetic is one thing, but having nothing in your hand as opposed to something. Pretty easy. How many ears of corn in your right hand roman farmer? 2, and your left? none. They understood a concept of 0, it just hadn't been found to be useful for arithmetic at that point, or called Zero.
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August 23, 2011 at 5:38 am
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(August 23, 2011 at 12:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: The duality of 0? That's idiotic. Every breath you draw to squeeze out thoughts like this is stolen from a worthwhile thought in someone else's head.
Very poetic.
What existed before the Big bang?
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August 23, 2011 at 6:18 am
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August 23, 2011 at 6:41 am
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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 7:45 am
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Sorry - got confused (duplicated post somehow)
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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 7:48 am
That's ok, old son: It keeps you right where we expect you to be.
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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 7:58 am
(August 23, 2011 at 6:41 am)Godnose Wrote: I feel the urge to expand - can't help it. OK ... According to my understanding time (and space) starts at the Big Bang, so actually there is no such thing as "before" the Big Bang, because "before" implies a passage of time and, as I said, time started AT the Big Bang. The answer I was hoping for of course was "Nothing" or "The Void". Then I'd be able to say "Nope", because there weren't even any concepts then - in fact there wasn't even any "then". So that's yet another kind of zero.
You can't possibly know that there was no "before" the big bang. Just because the way we perceive our time doesn't mean that there wasn't some equivalent or some kind of different time before that that.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it seems like you are claiming to know that this is so. Which makes you no better than the religious creeps who claim to know God's personality.
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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 7:59 am
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(August 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I'd say that the numerical value of zero is a snap when compared to the mental gyrations needed to come to the conclusion that 3 = 1.
Don't believe 3 = 1 can be done mentally. It has to be physical. Like as to Winston Smith in 1984.
(August 23, 2011 at 7:58 am)frankiej Wrote: (August 23, 2011 at 6:41 am)Godnose Wrote: I feel the urge to expand - can't help it. OK ... According to my understanding time (and space) starts at the Big Bang, so actually there is no such thing as "before" the Big Bang, because "before" implies a passage of time and, as I said, time started AT the Big Bang. The answer I was hoping for of course was "Nothing" or "The Void". Then I'd be able to say "Nope", because there weren't even any concepts then - in fact there wasn't even any "then". So that's yet another kind of zero.
You can't possibly know that there was no "before" the big bang. Just because the way we perceive our time doesn't mean that there wasn't some equivalent or some kind of different time before that that.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but it seems like you are claiming to know that this is so. Which makes you no better than the religious creeps who claim to know God's personality.
Sorry, that's my understanding - gained both from reading A Brief History of Time and reinforced by the author himself in Edinburgh a few years ago.
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August 23, 2011 at 8:06 am
Yes, but you can't KNOW this for sure, yet you talk like you do. It doesn't matter if it is your understanding, it is rather ignorant to argue the way you are.
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RE: No problems with atheism then...
August 23, 2011 at 8:08 am
(August 23, 2011 at 5:38 am)Godnose Wrote: What existed before the Big bang?
Theoretically nothing because all of the mass in the universe was contained in one minute point known as a singularity.
The concept of "before" is reliant on the construct of time. Time only became a factor as the universe expanded from this singularity.
In essence the question is ultimately flawed.
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