(January 14, 2018 at 5:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I quoted one verse that it doesn't increase the unjust but in perdition. But it turns out there is a theme of this in Quran and it explains exactly why that is the case.

If you haven't even noticed that much in Quran, I don't know how much I can help you see the names of the 12 Imams and successors of Mohammad in Quran.  Obviously that is more of am implicit theme, but to me it's done in such an obvious manner because I understand the wisdom of the names and the order, and it makes sense to me, and I can tell how it has emphasized on the names that is so.

But you don't even acknowledge the Authority of those who God gave his authority to which is the only type of true Authority there is.

Before learning calculus, you have to get basic math right.

Let's see if you can swallow the basics first.

How is "unjust" increased in the "perdition"?
Speak English; then we talk.

Quote:Sahih International: And We send down of the Qur'an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss.
Pickthall: And We reveal of the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin.
Yusuf Ali: We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.
Shakir: And We reveal of the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to the believers, and it adds only to the perdition of the unjust.
Muhammad Sarwar: We reveal the Quran which is a cure and mercy for the believers but does nothing for the unjust except to lead them to perdition.
Mohsin Khan: And We send down from the Quran that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe (in Islamic Monotheism and act on it), and it increases the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) nothing but loss.
Arberry: And We send down, of the Koran, that which is a healing and a mercy to the believers; and the unbelievers it increases not, except in loss.

And; I don't give authority to invisible zombies; Bacteria.

As far Muslims go, the same way Bani-Isreal became blind in their trials when they thought there would be no trial. And God turn to many of them mercifully, but again, they became blind.

How did they become blind?

(January 14, 2018 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: As far Muslims go, the same way Bani-Isreal became blind in their trials when they thought there would be no trial.  And God turn to many of them mercifully, but again, they became blind.

How did they become blind?

BWAAAT POLLY WANNA CRACKER?

That is NOT an argument, that is just you trying to peddle your own desires.

(January 14, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: As far Muslims go, the same way Bani-Isreal became blind in their trials when they thought there would be no trial.  And God turn to many of them mercifully, but again, they became blind.

How did they become blind?

BWAAAT POLLY WANNA CRACKER?

That is NOT an argument, that is just you trying to peddle your own desires.

It's not an argument, I am asking Atlas, because he has read Quran many times. He has missed a theme that is found in so many Surahs or even perhaps even in some way or another indirectly all of them.

So he should know how Bani-Israel became misguided. If he can't see how they fell astray and how they were to be guided, than he is reading things either carelessly or making light of the warnings therein.

(January 14, 2018 at 5:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The theme of who has the right interpretation and the means to prove that are of the most emphasized themes in the Quran. How to get the proper interpretation and recite and connect the verses as they ought to be connected, is of the most emphasized themes in the Quran.

Of course every sect will claim to have righteous guided mutaqeen who have more knowledge than others, and so will cling to those people, and praise them and even attribute purity to them, but how to distinguish the right interpretation from the false lies of the dark sorcery regarding it that those with perverse hearts follow, following what is unclear from it rather then it's clear signs, is of the most emphasized themes.

Go to a Surah that talks about that, and then think about ALL the verses in it. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Try to connect them all.  IF you can't, leave it, but try. Try to connect it at least with respect to that subject. The Quran is multilayered, but if you are interested in subject pertaining to guidance, you will see so many verses pertaining to it.

You ask almost as if the Quran didn't discuss it.

I don't care about "themes". Give me a direct verse tjat says: follow this/follow that.
Just like this one telling people to follow Mohammed:

Quote:Sura 24, The Quran:
( 54 )   Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification."

Quote:You ask almost as if the Quran didn't discuss it.

Don't put words in my mouth; troll.
The book has no mentions of the imams your twelver cult is built upon; that is what I said.

There is many direct verses, but you will dispute my translation. And so I would have to show the context (with the Surah) or with respect to the theme in Quran.

If you are not interested in the themes in Quran, you aren't interested in understanding a verse by Quran, but rather by your desires.

(January 14, 2018 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: As far Muslims go, the same way Bani-Isreal became blind in their trials when they thought there would be no trial.  And God turn to many of them mercifully, but again, they became blind.

How did they become blind?

Who cares; troll?
Answer my 3 months old question:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51114-p...pid1638830

Quote: Quote:
   AtlasS33 said:

   Answer any of these.
   And no gymnastics or textual walls ! no implicit answers!
   Just give me one verse, across the 600 pages of the Quran that mentions any of the 5 questions' answers.


  
   AtlasS33 said:

   I'll give you many options; all prove your religion if you answer them:
   1- A verse mentioning "Ali" by the name.
   2-A verse mentioning "Hasaen" by the name.
   3-A verse mentioning "Hussain" by the name.
   4-A verse mentioning the 12 divine imams that we must follow
   5-A verse mentioning the last imam that you and your cult believe will rule the universe or whatever -Imam Mahdy-

(January 14, 2018 at 5:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: BWAAAT POLLY WANNA CRACKER?

That is NOT an argument, that is just you trying to peddle your own desires.

It's not an argument, I am asking Atlas, because he has read Quran many times. He has missed a theme that is found in so many Surahs or even perhaps even in some way or another indirectly all of them.

So he should know how Bani-Israel became misguided. If he can't see how they fell astray and how they were to be guided, than he is reading things either carelessly or making light of the warnings therein.

And Catholics and Baptists have read the same holy books too. 

Why post at all if you don't believe what you believe? I am being fair because this post is also aimed at Atlass.

You both make claims, just like Protestants and Catholics.

(January 14, 2018 at 5:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: As far Muslims go, the same way Bani-Isreal became blind in their trials when they thought there would be no trial.  And God turn to many of them mercifully, but again, they became blind.

How did they become blind?

Who cares; troll?

First, everything in Quran is already of dire importance for humanity to heed.
Second, something repeated and emphasized in Quran is of dire importance for humanity to heed for sure, even if you belittle some verses over others like a clown who thinks he knows everything there is to know about God's book.
Bani-Israel and how they got misguided is of the most emphasized themes to the extent there is a verse that says that the Quran discusses and iterates most of what Bani-Israel differed in and disputed about.

(January 14, 2018 at 5:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is many direct verses, but you will dispute my translation. And so I would have to show the context (with the Surah) or with respect to the theme in Quran.

If you are not interested in the themes in Quran, you aren't interested in understanding a verse by Quran, but rather by your desires.

Bring them. I want names.

Jesus is mentioned by name:
Moses is mentioned by name:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 87 )   And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed.

Mohammed is mentioned by name:

Quote:Sura 3, The Quran:
( 144 )   Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.

Noah, Lot, Abraham...etc, all are mentioned by name.
Where are your 12 imams?  where are their names?