Atheists have exactly the same chance of going to hell as we have of going to The Emerald City, Barsoom, or Valinor.

Boru

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Short answer: no.

Long answer: 


Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

If words can decisively prove a Creator there would be no need of religion. Religion has a Guide, paradigms to act upon while searching it, and love has many interpretations.

I see humans as they outwardly appear so it's inwardly like that.


Most people are not so beautiful nor so ugly, but just good looking to the extent they should be satisfied with how they look.

The same is true pertaining to truth seeking. Most won't go the ends of the earth is search of knowledge of the self and most can't even if they wanted to.

However most when truth becomes apparent to them accept.

I believe most humans are dishonest with themselves, I believe to a great degree I deceive myself as well.


But when things are proven in the way God proves firmly beyond doubt, then truth, is no longer veiled, then some nations most believed and many nations disbelieved, and of the nations mentioned in Quran, it's only people of Yonus who benefited from their faith.

The Israelites believed but then turned the message into meaningless stories when they rejected Mohammad and the Mastership of Ali and their family.


I get frustrated but I am not the doctor to cure you, nor have I placed in the right way.

I don't believe I have established the proof despite knowing by arguments are both valid and sound. The premises they rest upon do need more elaboration which I have not done.


Give me time and I will come back after sometime, as a better communicator. I will prove the premises you dispute about in a better way.

I believe we all are dishonest in many levels, we deceive ourselves, the greatest degree is I believe what Atheists find themselves in, where they convince themselves they have no knowledge of God.

But the proof of God is a healing and healer, it cures the dishonesty and sets the world back in proper balanced order, set's your soul in it's proper image, not the mirror inverted backwards image of falsehood and lies of Iblis.

I can't prove all this stuff because I don't know what you really know and what you don't. It makes sense to me, is all I can assure you of.


We will however to move forward have to have a more serious conversation. We all have to be more serious. Less battle of egos and more serious to the discussions.

Nobody cares what you believe.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Short answer: no.

Long answer: 


Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

If words can decisively prove a Creator there would be no need of religion. Religion has a Guide, paradigms to act upon while searching it, and love has many interpretations.

I see humans as they outwardly appear so it's inwardly like that.


Most people are not so beautiful nor so ugly, but just good looking to the extent they should be satisfied with how they look.

The same is true pertaining to truth seeking. Most won't go the ends of the earth is search of knowledge of the self and most can't even if they wanted to.

However most when truth becomes apparent to them accept.

I believe most humans are dishonest with themselves, I believe to a great degree I deceive myself as well.


But when things are proven in the way God proves firmly beyond doubt, then truth, is no longer veiled, then some nations most believed and many nations disbelieved, and of the nations mentioned in Quran, it's only people of Yonus who benefited from their faith.

The Israelites believed but then turned the message into meaningless stories when they rejected Mohammad and the Mastership of Ali and their family.


I get frustrated but I am not the doctor to cure you, nor have I placed in the right way.

I don't believe I have established the proof despite knowing by arguments are both valid and sound. The premises they rest upon do need more elaboration which I have not done.


Give me time and I will come back after sometime, as a better communicator. I will prove the premises you dispute about in a better way.

I believe we all are dishonest in many levels, we deceive ourselves, the greatest degree is I believe what Atheists find themselves in, where they convince themselves they have no knowledge of God.

But the proof of God is a healing and healer, it cures the dishonesty and sets the world back in proper balanced order, set's your soul in it's proper image, not the mirror inverted backwards image of falsehood and lies of Iblis.

I can't prove all this stuff because I don't know what you really know and what you don't. It makes sense to me, is all I can assure you of.


We will however to move forward have to have a more serious conversation. We all have to be more serious. Less battle of egos and more serious to the discussions.

I didn't quite get your long answer. Honestly, it looked liked gibberish to me. I'm encouraged by your short answer though.

If there is a universal force of goodness in the the universe (which you call Allah), surely that force would not penalize one for ignorance. One could claim that I have been told the Truth but Allah would recognize that I am limited in my ability to recognize the Truth. If I legitimately don't see it, would he really punish me for my honest ignorance? Not if he is just.

So where are we left? Does eternal damnation really make any sense? Obviously, nobody WANTS to go to Hell. So why would anybody end up there? They could only end up there through ignorance. They fail to recognize the Truth. But why impose eternal torture on the ignorant? Why not just banish them to non-existence? Especially considering that Allah created them in the first place and since he is omniscient, would have known the soul was bound for Hell before he even created them.

You need to answer that question before anyone here will take you seriously. Good Luck.

Sign me up, If anyone is thinking of starting a Holy Crusade. I'm thirsty for spreading of the Glory of our Emperor to those blasphemous heretics who have are in dire need of saving their rotten souls. Deus Vult brothers. Glory or Heaven!

(January 26, 2018 at 7:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Atheists have exactly the same chance of going to hell as we have of going to The Emerald City, Barsoom, or Valinor.

Boru

Isn't Barsoom another name for Mars?

If so Elon Musk may be already on his way.

(January 27, 2018 at 5:01 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 7:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Atheists have exactly the same chance of going to hell as we have of going to The Emerald City, Barsoom, or Valinor.

Boru

Isn't Barsoom another name for Mars?

If so Elon Musk may be already on his way.

Edgar Rice Formulaic Burroughs used "Barsoom" as a cool name for Mars.

Mystic Knight's posts are what I shall henceforth recommend to insomniacs.

I have a catholic pass. When I was 1 year old a priest spashed water in my head, inbued with the holy spirit and made me saved. Don't remember a thing, but they say I was crying all the way.

Well, at least my daughter will be able to baptise if she wants, when she will be able to make that decision. I owe her that much respect as a human being.