(January 28, 2018 at 12:48 pm)shadow Wrote: You're quite secular for a Catholic, CL

My sisters are Catholic and go by similar beliefs. It's the newer form of most Catholics here are taking. They are in the thirties, so that change in the church mabe is for the better.

As long their beliefs affect no one else, no problem.

(January 28, 2018 at 1:03 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 12:48 pm)shadow Wrote: You're quite secular for a Catholic, CL

My sisters are Catholic and go by similar beliefs. It's the newer form of most Catholics here are taking. They are in the thirties, so that change in the church mabe is for the better.

As long their beliefs affect no one else, no problem.

Hey, I like it too. The only thing that I take issue with is that these kinds of Catholics fund the Church. Catholics are what fund pedophile priest legal defense funds and glorified crusades in developing countries. That's what really irks me - people who check off the 'give some of my tax money to the Church' box, or pay their tithe, but don't actually have any reason to support the Church.

Whether or not someone privately believes in an afterlife, I couldn't care less.

(January 28, 2018 at 1:03 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(January 28, 2018 at 12:48 pm)shadow Wrote: You're quite secular for a Catholic, CL

My sisters are Catholic and go by similar beliefs. It's the newer form of most Catholics here are taking. They are in the thirties, so that change in the church mabe is for the better.

As long their beliefs affect no one else, no problem.

A different observer -like me- would say: it's more of a wing-clipping that secular parties did to the Church after the French revolution.
The "illumination" period is what changed the Roman Catholic Church in my opinion; it's more of a "customized faith" now, that "satisfies the constraints of secular parties", for survival. Everybody is becoming secular, everybody is changing, so the Church must change too to survive.

If secular regimes fell; the current Catholic religion would fall too -in my opinion-; and the clipped wings would grow again; maybe even bigger than before.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 6:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Do me next.  What are my chances of getting an E afterlife ticket?  Even money?

Eh, don't know about you. You're one of the mean ones around here. Probably 30% chance for you. Now little Succie on the other hand.....

I'm next! I'm next! Where am I gonna end up? 

(January 28, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think you may have misunderstood. I believe that God is love and goodness, and so where those things are present God is present also. If you accept love and goodness, if you strive to live by the values of honesty, truth, generosity, humility, kindness, etc, to the best of your understanding of those things, you are unknowingly accepting God into your heart, and He is present there, imho. I am by no means saying that people who are religious or Catholic are all good people. And yes, I "attach" Catholic doctrines to God. This does not mean i think Catholic people , even the clergy, are all good people.

I knowingly don't accept your God into my heart, though I accept love and goodness because they come from us, not from fictional beings. Also, this doesn't sound much different from the "deep down, many atheists believe in God" statement some other theists tend to make. "IMHO".

It's nice that some religions have culturally evolved and are reconsidering their stance on hell. I would wager that these ideas have evolved in cultures in which religion has lost much of its political might. Back in the days, when religions were in charge they had no problem sending nonbelievers to hell. Made them experience hellfire while alive too.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

In other words, because I don't believe you  when you say that you have the truth, your imaginary friend has the right to torture me for eternity?

You disgust me.  Fuck you and fuck your god.

(January 28, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Joods Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Eh, don't know about you. You're one of the mean ones around here. Probably 30% chance for you. Now little Succie on the other hand.....

I'm next! I'm next! Where am I gonna end up? 

Hah, good luck beating my balmy 50/50 odds. I'm practically on my way to the pearly gates, unless god decides to count lying in Mafia as a sin, in which case I am SCREWED.

I love ya, but I've seen you throw out some savage roasts which may disqualify you from a CL Ticket To Heaven

I'm okay with that. I just wanted to rule over hell.

(January 28, 2018 at 5:25 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 6:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Any human who when the truth is presented and has a way out of the darkness and perceives it but denies it after God's proof is settled, then yes, they belong to hell.

In other words, because I don't believe you  when you say that you have the truth, your imaginary friend has the right to torture me for eternity?

You disgust me.  Fuck you and fuck your god.

That's the rancid heart of the issue laid open, isn't it? If I told MK that my opinion of him, in the context of my inability to persuade him of a thing, is that he deserves to burn and writhe and scream for all eternity, he would think I was an evil person for considering him lesser than me. And so would I. Yet add a teaspoon of religion into the recipe and suddenly it's fine?

Religion really does poison everything, left unchecked.