But it's witch hunt y'all, I tell ya a witch hunt.

Politics in the USA is fast becoming farcical and surreal.

(February 2, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Yeah, what part of the memo says they didn’t disclose that the Steele dossier was their source?

No part of it. What they didn't disclose is that Steele was paid to produce the dossier by the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

(February 3, 2018 at 12:58 am)Tiberius Wrote: The memo effectively destroys the argument that the Steele dossier caused the Russian investigation. As the memo states, the investigation began when Papadopoulos got drunk with an Australian diplomat.

hmm.  From the memo itself:

4) .... Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrent would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

and this:

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulous, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulous.  The Papadopoulos information trigger the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strozok... 

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Link to full memo
https://www.scribd.com/document/37059927...from_embed

Opening of an FBI ... is different form

Opening THIS FBI ...

But thanks for the link. I love reading comments from readers. Like this one, which sums up what is wrong with Spying on Americans; which is the WHOLE POINT.

from comments in Tiberius linked article Wrote:So one drunk, low-level staffer mouths off to an Australian and that is enough to MEET THE STANDARD of being able to use all the tools of government (FBI, CIA, etc.) to spy on one's political opponent during a very heated campaign. If that is the case, then it is FAR WORSE than even the memo implies and 3 things really need attention:

1) The person, working for Obama, that took this hearsay to the judge to try to get approval to SPY ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT during a very heated campaign needs to be JAILED.

2) The judge that authorized the SPYING ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT during a very heated campaign, based on this hearsay, also needs to be JAILED.

3) The SYSTEM that permits a sitting administration to SPY ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT during a very heated campaign needs to be SCRAPPED. It's MUCH SAFER for this country to take its chances with Russian ghosts trying to influence an election than it is to allow a sitting administration to SPY ON A POLITICAL OPPONENT (during a very heated campaign, I may add).

(February 3, 2018 at 7:17 am)alpha male Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Yeah, what part of the memo says they didn’t disclose that the Steele dossier was their source?

No part of it. What they didn't disclose is that Steele was paid to produce the dossier by the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And the republicans don't forget, they started it and the DNC took it over.

But the memo itself is nothing without the detailed rebuttal that they now want to suppress.
Its like being able to say whatever shit you want and denying any dissent, like all proper dictatorships do.

The FBI has abused it's powers investigating leftists, John Lennon, movie stars, M.L.K. , Civil Rights workers, etc. The right wingers were all for it. "Must keep those Reds from infiltrating our Great nation!". Then, after 9-11, they praised wiretapping Muslims to "protect us from terrorists!".

Now, Russia has actually interfered , and perhaps toppled a U.S. election, and the right wingers don't even want to know. They whine about the FBI powers that once served their McCarthy era dreams. What a bunch of snowflakes. Whiny twits.

Yep, if this were actually about transparency and justice why wasn't the dem memo released at the same time?

This is politics, plain and simple.

(February 3, 2018 at 7:31 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: And the republicans don't forget, they started it and the DNC took it over.

But the memo itself is nothing without the detailed rebuttal that they now want to suppress.
Its like being able to say whatever shit you want and denying any dissent, like all proper dictatorships do.

If there's a rebuttal, I'm all for it. I don't expect much. Note that the Dems were saying this memo shouldn't be released because it would be catastrophic for national security, which turned out to be total BS.

(February 3, 2018 at 7:51 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Yep, if this were actually about transparency and justice why wasn't the dem memo released at the same time?

This is politics, plain and simple.

Republicans are nervous and grasping at straws. They must know the man they elected is capable of corruption and deceit.

(February 3, 2018 at 7:01 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 7:12 pm)Joods Wrote: [edit]

Has anyone seen how far the DOW fell today?

Are you saying that the memo release and the change in the market are directly related?

I think they might be. Ofc, I could be wrong. But I had CNN on all day yesterday and they had a window up where you could clearly see real time stock fluctuations and it wasn't looking good. That happened the day the president released the memo, so you tell me.

(February 3, 2018 at 9:54 am)Joods Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 7:01 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Are you saying that the memo release and the change in the market are directly related?

I think they might be. Ofc, I could be wrong. But I had CNN on all day yesterday and they had a window up where you could clearly see real time stock fluctuations and it wasn't looking good. That happened the day the president released the memo, so you tell me.

The DOW dropped 666 points. Coincidence?