Quote:Omaha police officer killed in shootout just hours before going on maternity leave

A 29-year-old police officer who had put off maternity leave after giving birth prematurely to a daughter in February was being mourned Thursday, a day after she was gunned down in a shootout with a fugitive.

Kerrie Orozco, the first female officer from Omaha's police department to die in the line of duty, had only recently given birth to a daughter, and also was stepmother to two children ages 6 and 7, according to authorities. She was pronounced dead at Creighton University Medical Center shortly after the 1 p.m. shooting, Police Chief Todd Schmaderer said at a hospital news conference. Schmaderer said the suspect, 26-year-old Marcus Wheeler, also died at the hospital.

Officer Kerrie Orozco, Omaha, Nebraska. May 20, 2015

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/21/pol...-shooting/

(May 16, 2015 at 11:51 pm)Saxmoof Wrote: True, I should've said "if you want to make the case that most cops are good... etc."

That's what I meant, lazy phrasing

But when people defending cops say "not all cops are bad" which is the argument i was parroting - they're not saying that they're all bad apart from this one good one i managed to find that lives near me, they're saying that most are good and that it's just a few bad apples we should not focus on so much - that's what's debatable

False dichotomy - It's not a "hate all cops" or "defend them all because most are good" choice. What a despicable notion!
It is very easy to love the cops that do their jobs well and are friendly, to accept mediocre cops doing a fair job that aren't causing much trouble, and to detest cops that bully and attack.
It isn't important to define a percentage of cops that are "good" and cops that are "bad" as it is not important to define a percentage of black people that are "good" and those that are "bad." They are individual humans and only the training or other full group influences should be discussed as a whole in order not to sound base and ratty.

Cops are normal people who are influenced by the culture they are immersed in and the influences they face every day. Cops see more misbehaving assholes every day than most of us see in lifetime and it is unfortunate that in many this influence can bee seen. Cops are trained to control and protect cop lives over all other sensibilities, so that should be debated. To straw man people who don't believe every single instance of cop misbehavior is a reason to denigrate anyone that wears a cop uniform is not good form.

What's really offensive about this thread is its backhanded implication that somehow complaining about police abuses implies that one enjoys it when police officers are harmed or killed on the job. This is the type of imbecilic thinking that could only come from right wing, barely literate fucking idiots.

So, don't quit your day job (skinning alligators, swamp tour-guide, cousin fucking, or whatever it is that you people do)

(May 22, 2015 at 7:47 pm)francismjenkins Wrote: What's really offensive about this thread is its backhanded implication that somehow complaining about police abuses implies that one enjoys it when police officers are harmed or killed on the job. This is the type of imbecilic thinking that could only come from right wing, barely literate fucking idiots.

So, don't quit your day job (skinning alligators, swamp tour-guide, cousin fucking, or whatever it is that you people do)

Not always, there are a few others..

(May 13, 2015 at 10:26 am)AFTT47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2015 at 11:47 pm)Jericho Wrote: For every one police officer that isn't performing their duties correctly, there are at least five who are.

It wouldn't surprise me if that number is true - as long as their duties do not include challenging the bad cops. But that's a huge issue. A bad cop is far worse than any criminal because he has the power of government behind him. If one of these good cops is keeping the petty criminals in line but allowing the bad cops to run amok, I don't know how much good he is.

It wouldn't surprise me if that number is true either, which is a crying shame because 16 or 17% bad cops is unacceptable.

My heart goes out for the 40 or 50 cops who have been killed in the line of duty in the last 12 months. It also goes out to the over a thousand killed by cops in the last year.

Edit: And I'm sure many of those hundreds of people killed by police would be considered justifiable kills by most reasonable people. The evidence seems to be mounting that the percentage that don't fit that description is significant.

Frankly I think this thread suffers from the same tin ear as people who object to the "Black Lives Matter" by insisting "All Lives Matter".

Sure, all lives matter. But that ignores who it is that is suffering most. Black people are being singled out for rough treatment at a far greater rate than the rest of us. Likewise protesting that the lives of the police matter too misses the point that they include the group that is abusing and murdering innocents. Or if you prefer, it is like pretending that being 'racer blind' ourselves means racism is no longer a problem.

Quote:False dichotomy - It's not a "hate all cops" or "defend them all because most are good" choice. What a despicable notion!

It would be a despicable notion, had you not imagined it

I've never heard anyone say they hate all cops and I never said that myself, as for the other half of the dichotomy, it's definitely true that people think that way. Public opinion is clearly divided between two schools of thought - there's those who respect authority without question, either because that's just their nature or because they aren't fully aware of the abuse of police power, these people accept that there have been transgressions but believe that this is par for the course with any institution of power and not part of a wider systemic problem. Then there are people (like me) who think that there's clearly a problem with police culture and training that leads to these abuses happening far more than should reasonably be expected

Quote:It isn't important to define a percentage of cops that are "good" and cops that are "bad" as it is not important to define a percentage of black people that are "good" and those that are "bad."

It isn't important to put a percentage on it but only because we already know that the number of "bad" cops or at least cops who do nothing to stop the bad cops is high enough that something needs to be done. As for comparing that to defining good and bad black people - that's a real false dichotomy, the latter would presumably be making some bizarre point about black people genetically and the former is a matter of culture and training.

Quote:Cops are normal people who are influenced by the culture they are immersed in and the influences they face every day

Of course they are, you seem to think I disagree with that. I might not have mentioned culture in my previous posts but only because it goes without saying. Who would even try and argue that cops are somehow not normal and predisposed to abusing their power? You only have to look at examples of police forces from other countries to see that's not the case

(May 23, 2015 at 12:32 am)whateverist Wrote: Frankly I think this thread suffers from the same tin ear as people who object to the "Black Lives Matter" by insisting "All Lives Matter".

Sure, all lives matter.  But that ignores who it is that is suffering most.  Black people are being singled out for rough treatment at a far greater rate than the rest of us.  Likewise protesting that the lives of the police matter too misses the point that they include the group that is abusing and murdering innocents.  Or if you prefer, it is like pretending that being 'racer blind' ourselves means racism is no longer a problem.

You already have the "Fucking Cops"  thread and many other threads which covers those issues. If this thread distresses the lynch mob mentalities displayed by some on this forum, tough shit. Go bitch and moan in one of the other threads if you don't like this one. This thread is dedicated those police officers who gave their lives in the line of duty.

(May 22, 2015 at 10:44 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(May 22, 2015 at 7:47 pm)francismjenkins Wrote: What's really offensive about this thread is its backhanded implication that somehow complaining about police abuses implies that one enjoys it when police officers are harmed or killed on the job. This is the type of imbecilic thinking that could only come from right wing, barely literate fucking idiots.

So, don't quit your day job (skinning alligators, swamp tour-guide, cousin fucking, or whatever it is that you people do)

Not always, there are a few others..

So what's the point bubba?

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(May 23, 2015 at 7:51 am)A Theist Wrote:

(May 23, 2015 at 12:32 am)whateverist Wrote: Frankly I think this thread suffers from the same tin ear as people who object to the "Black Lives Matter" by insisting "All Lives Matter".

Sure, all lives matter.  But that ignores who it is that is suffering most.  Black people are being singled out for rough treatment at a far greater rate than the rest of us.  Likewise protesting that the lives of the police matter too misses the point that they include the group that is abusing and murdering innocents.  Or if you prefer, it is like pretending that being 'racer blind' ourselves means racism is no longer a problem.

You already have the "Fucking Cops"  thread and many other threads which covers those issues. If this thread distresses the lynch mob mentalities displayed by some on this forum, tough shit. Go bitch and moan in one of the other threads if you don't like this one. This thread is dedicated those police officers who gave their lives in the line of duty.

Dumb, reactionary hillbillies are always amusing (so easy to freak out those two lonely neurons)

BUMP: Reviving an old thread in memory of Police Officers who lost their lives in the line of duty.

Not far from where I live two Westerville, Ohio police officers were shot and killed while responding to a potential domestic violence call.

Quote:WESTERVILLE, Ohio -- Two police officers were fatally shot responding to a potential domestic situation in Ohio on Saturday afternoon, authorities said. The shooting suspect was wounded in the incident and taken to a nearby hospital.
The shooting took place around 11:30 a.m. Saturday on Crosswind Drive. Officers were responding to a 911 call at the address, and were fired upon when they arrived at the scene.
The victims were later identified as 54-year-old officer Anthony Morelli and 39-year-old officer Eric Joering, Westerville Police Chief Joe Morbitzer announced during a press briefing Saturday.
Joering, a 16-year veteran, was killed at the scene. Morelli, a 29-year veteran, died in surgery at Ohio State University Medical Center, Morbitzer said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/2-p...spartandhp