(February 16, 2018 at 10:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Have you been hitting the sauce again, Hamz?  😜

The more urgent issue is what he's been hitting with his sauce, and does he have enough tissues?

(February 16, 2018 at 10:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Have you been hitting the sauce again, Hamz?  😜

NO THIS IS ME SOBER LOL

Why? Should I?

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(February 16, 2018 at 10:21 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 10:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Have you been hitting the sauce again, Hamz?  😜

The more urgent issue is what he's been hitting with his sauce, and does he have enough tissues?

Whaddaya mean? You know me.... it's the tissues I'm hitting with my sauce.

(February 16, 2018 at 6:22 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 4:28 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You continue to show your lack of biblical understanding and yet you say you know scripture, can't prove it by me.

GC

The Bible lacks coherence. It's a bunch of books written by different authors with different modes of thinking and different theologies and beliefs.

Wrong, the Bible is like a fine tapestry woven to tell a real story everything is coherent and that's the great thing about it. It's amazing that the story line through many authors doesn't change, the entire book is about man's salvation through Jesus the Son of God.

GC

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(February 16, 2018 at 8:53 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 3:54 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You're the one who's lacking in understanding. God wasn't lacking in anything He used His power to give His love to others, sharing doesn't mean lacking. You need to try and understand the word wanted, it's not by necessity a need. Example- Today I wanted to go fishing but the wind was blowing to hard so I did not go. Going wasn't a need, nor was it going to fulfill or complete me, it was a desire to do something.

GC

I wanted to go fishing.  I experienced a desire for something that I wasn’t presently or currently doing.  Shouldn’t god already have, and already be doing anything and everything?  Why did god want to share love with other creatures?  Shouldn’t his love be self-fulfilling?  He’s god.

 Just because I wasn't presently fishing doesn't mean I needed it to fulfill myself.  God has already and has always been doing what He desires, that's why He is omnipresent, He loved us before the actual creation and He also was there at the end of time before He actually created us. Being omnipresent gives God abilities we can't even begin to understand and this is obvious by your continued insistence that He couldn't have been fulfilled when the Bible tells us He was self-fulfilled before the creation.

GC

(February 17, 2018 at 2:18 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 6:22 am)Grandizer Wrote: The Bible lacks coherence. It's a bunch of books written by different authors with different modes of thinking and different theologies and beliefs.

Wrong, the Bible is like a fine tapestry woven to tell a real story everything is coherent and that's the great thing about it. It's amazing that the story line through many authors doesn't change, the entire book is about man's salvation through Jesus the Son of God.

GC

Jesus was never mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament. Just saying.

(February 17, 2018 at 2:27 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 2:18 am)Godscreated Wrote: Wrong, the Bible is like a fine tapestry woven to tell a real story everything is coherent and that's the great thing about it. It's amazing that the story line through many authors doesn't change, the entire book is about man's salvation through Jesus the Son of God.

GC

Jesus was never mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament. Just saying.

He is if you carry with you the preconceived notion that he is. If you really, really try, you can see Jesus in a piece of burnt toast ... or a random water stain in your basement drywall. Being able to see him in the Old Testament is easy, comparatively.

(February 17, 2018 at 2:18 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 8:53 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I wanted to go fishing.  I experienced a desire for something that I wasn’t presently or currently doing.  Shouldn’t god already have, and already be doing anything and everything?  Why did god want to share love with other creatures?  Shouldn’t his love be self-fulfilling?  He’s god.

 Just because I wasn't presently fishing doesn't mean I needed it to fulfill myself.

You’re right.  It means you were wanting to be experiencing something (the act of fishing) that you were not presently experiencing.  You’re making this more complicated than it is.

Quote:God has already and has always been doing what He desires

If he always had it, and was always doing it, then he doesn’t have any wants, now does he?  How do you want something you already have?

Quote:That’s why He is omnipresent, He loved us before the actual creation and He also was there at the end of time before He actually created us.

Um, what?

Quote:Being omnipresent gives God abilities we can't even begin to understand

 Yet you seem to think you understand them well enough to tell me I’m wrong about them, lol.

Quote:and this is obvious by your continued insistence that He couldn't have been fulfilled when the Bible tells us He was self-fulfilled before the creation.

And if he was self-fulfilled before the creation, then he wouldn’t have wanted to create anything.

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(February 16, 2018 at 8:14 am)Whateverist Wrote: Then I realized she was attempting to do a little Socratic teaching. 

If I’m the teacher, GC is the goofy kid in the back of the class, staring out the window at traffic and picking his nose.

(February 16, 2018 at 10:25 am)Hammy Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 10:17 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Have you been hitting the sauce again, Hamz?  😜

NO THIS IS ME SOBER LOL

Why? Should I?

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(February 16, 2018 at 10:21 am)Whateverist Wrote: The more urgent issue is what he's been hitting with his sauce, and does he have enough tissues?

Whaddaya mean? You know me.... it's the tissues I'm hitting with my sauce.

I have a feeling we're not talking about spaghetti sauce here.

(February 17, 2018 at 2:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 8:14 am)Whateverist Wrote: Then I realized she was attempting to do a little Socratic teaching. 

If I’m the teacher, GC is the goofy kid in the back of the class, staring out the window at traffic and picking his nose.

Don't spare the rod though, he'd expect it.

(February 17, 2018 at 2:34 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 2:27 am)Grandizer Wrote: Jesus was never mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament. Just saying.

He is if you carry with you the preconceived notion that he is. If you really, really try, you can see Jesus in a piece of burnt toast ... or a random water stain in your basement drywall. Being able to see him in the Old Testament is easy, comparatively.

Good point. If Muslims can see Muhammad in the OT, then yeah ...

(February 17, 2018 at 8:40 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 2:34 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: He is if you carry with you the preconceived notion that he is. If you really, really try, you can see Jesus in a piece of burnt toast ... or a random water stain in your basement drywall. Being able to see him in the Old Testament is easy, comparatively.

Good point. If Muslims can see Muhammad in the OT, then yeah ...

when the fish tells the children the cat should not be about when their parents are out, that bears the mark of a Jesusian parable on many levels. Using the fish just proves that the Cat in the Hat is demonstrably a type of Christ.