(March 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 7:47 pm)Mat Wrote: I get your point about it being an anthropomorphic term that assumes arbitrary boundaries in systems which are part of a larger whole.

But then you could also say the same thing about animals and humans who also have a theory of mind.

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i was speaking about animals that have a theory of mind. Under which other states should we use the term "self"?

Sorry, my mistake, the word 'also' made it look like I was saying that theory of mind exists in lower life forms than animals (possibly fish, insects etc as well).

I was trying to make the whole point that the same processes apply to systems regardless of whether they are simple chemical cycles, or very complex bio-physical / chemical systems such as a brain that has a theory of mind and that in both cases where the self begins and end is an arbitrary point.

Or I could have made the argument that the theory of mind is just a recognition of self but then we'd fall down a rabbit hole of semantics.

(March 10, 2018 at 6:54 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 5:42 pm)Banned Wrote: No observable evidence for evolution, a mindset which believes that computers breed in swamps, and a culture which is dragging the ball and chain of unbelief in the quest for knowledge which is openly displayed.

Wow, you've said it all, thank you !

Show me anything that says computers breed in swamps.

Banned said it, so it must be true.

Check mate atheists!

(March 10, 2018 at 7:10 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 5:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Witness, if you will, the utter ignorance and dishonesty of the creationist.

'I won't accept mountains of overwhelming evidence for something I don't want to believe in, but I will accept the words from a contradictory book, for which there is NO evidence, but whose contenrs were voted on by a group with an agenda.'

If you have been following this thread, you would have noticed that I never requested a library or a dramatic speech, but just one example of tested evidence for evolution.

I know that's asking too much.

You've been provided with them.

Why are you lying?

Quote:If you have been following this thread, you would have noticed that I never requested a library or a dramatic speech, but just one example of tested evidence for evolution.

The just one argument . Classic creationist bullshit .

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_single_proof

Quote:I know that's asking too much.

Too which more of your creationist bullshit will follow.

(March 10, 2018 at 9:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 7:10 pm)Banned Wrote: If you have been following this thread, you would have noticed that I never requested a library or a dramatic speech, but just one example of tested evidence for evolution.

I know that's asking too much.

You've been provided with them.

Why are you lying?

He's not lying, he's trolling. Hence, my report.

(March 10, 2018 at 8:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Banned Wrote: No such thing.

You know Mathilda, that may well be true in his own case. Leastwise he hasn't managed to organize what information he has encountered in any useful manner.

Resorting to personal attacks is usually a sign of not having any more imput on the subject.

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(March 10, 2018 at 9:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 7:10 pm)Banned Wrote: If you have been following this thread, you would have noticed that I never requested a library or a dramatic speech, but just one example of tested evidence for evolution.

I know that's asking too much.

You've been provided with them.

Why are you lying?

Asking people to go to a library is hardly a conversation.

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(March 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: He's not lying, he's trolling. Hence, my report.

When you are feeling powerless, that's probably all you can do.

(March 10, 2018 at 10:58 pm)Banned Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 8:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote: You know Mathilda, that may well be true in his own case.  Leastwise he hasn't managed to organize what information he has encountered in any useful manner.

Resorting to personal attacks is usually a sign of not having any more imput on the subject.

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(March 10, 2018 at 9:05 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You've been provided with them.

Why are you lying?

Asking people to go to a library is hardly a conversation.

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(March 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: He's not lying, he's trolling. Hence, my report.

When you are feeling powerless, that's probably all you can do.

Why then do you feel powerless?

Quote:Resorting to personal attacks is usually a sign of not having any more imput on the subject.

Say the man who resorts to it consistently

Quote: Asking people to go to a library is hardly a conversation.

It's something one should do long before starting one 

Quote:When you are feeling powerless, that's probably all you can do.

Is that why you do it ?

Quote:...a mindset which believes that computers breed in swamps...

No evolutionary biologist or theorist has ever made this claim.  Moreover, no sensible person would entertain it.

Informed people know that it is mattresses  - not computers - that breed in swamps.  Specifically, in the swamps of Sqornshellous Zeta, where they live (to be honest) rather pointless lives of follopping and vollueing.  If you weren't so stunningly pig-ignorant, you'd be aware of this.

Boru

(March 10, 2018 at 11:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:...a mindset which believes that computers breed in swamps...

No evolutionary biologist or theorist has ever made this claim.  Moreover, no sensible person would entertain it.

Informed people know that it is mattresses  - not computers - that breed in swamps.  Specifically, in the swamps of Sqornshellous Zeta, where they live (to be honest) rather pointless lives of follopping and vollueing.  If you weren't so stunningly pig-ignorant, you'd be aware of this.

Boru

LOL nice