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**leo-rcc** · September 2, 2011 at 7:30 am

I have seen some data on this, but I can't find it. There seems to be a correlation between religious people and a willingness to spend more money on painful treatments to prolong their lives or that of their family members than non-religous/non-believers.

I believe the conclusion given was that a non-believer values the quality of life over their mere existence. If they are alive but can't enjoy it, they'd rather have the plug pulled.

Oldandeasilyconfused · September 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm

I have seen some data on this, but I can't find it. There seems to be a correlation between religious people and a willingness to spend more money on painful treatments to prolong their lives or that of their family members than non-religous/non-believers.

Indeed.

Kerry Packer was the richest man in Australia.Kerry needed a kidney transplant,so had one (donated by a friend).

During the operation,Kerry died fora few minutes. Shortly after the operation, Kerry was interviewed on prime time TV. I saw the interview. Kerry said "There's good news and there's bad news. The good news is there is no hell. The bad news is there is no heaven either; there's nothing"

A few years later,Kerry became very ill again,he said (literally, he was very colourful) "Fuck it!",refused treatment and died.

~~Rokcet Scientist~~ · September 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm

(September 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm)padraic Wrote: refused treatment and died.

That's not euthanasia or suicide.

**Rev. Rye** · September 2, 2011 at 10:08 pm

(August 25, 2011 at 4:09 pm)madashell Wrote: I've always wondered why those who claim belief in a higher power are so adament about keeping those loved ones who are obviously going to die on life support beyond a reasonable time.

If it's all in the hands of a supreme being then why not let him decide rather than the doctors and the machines etc.?

Because a big part of why many cling to a higher power is due to a fear of death and the promise of a fantasy world where they don't really die. Simply put, their fear of death makes them irrational.

This is also a big part of why belief in the rapture is so prominent, because believers have likened it to "Jesus coming back to take us before [they] die."

Loading Please Wait · September 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm

My reasoning is that people are afraid to lose loved ones. They don't want that moment to ever come, so by putting their loved ones on life support, it won't make inevitable go away, but it is pretty much like procrastinating.

Once I reach over 75, I will refuse life support. I don't want it, and I want my loved ones to know that.

I want to die of natural causes.

It would be pretty cool to die of unnatural causes. ROFLOL

Oldandeasilyconfused · September 3, 2011 at 4:35 am

(September 2, 2011 at 10:18 pm)Loading Please Wait Wrote: It would be pretty cool to die of unnatural causes.

What did you have in mind?

I've always wanted to see a person get run over by a tank. Tiger

Erinome · September 3, 2011 at 5:03 am

It kills me when I see somebody asking for prayer because they have cancer. If they believe in God, then you would think a string of logic, as convoluted as it may be, would lead them to assume that if God didn't want them to have cancer, they wouldn't have gotten cancer. It pisses me off that they give all this glory to an their god, when they should be giving "glory" and thanks to the men and women of science who pour their lives into saving the ungrateful egomaniacs whose only credit for the little piece of life to which they cling can't be accredited to faith or prayer at all.

this is just my opinion.

~~Rokcet Scientist~~ · (This post was last modified: September 3, 2011 at 5:43 am by Rokcet Scientist.)

(September 3, 2011 at 4:35 am)padraic Wrote: I've always wanted to see a person get run over by a tank.

There you go, laddie!

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But will your loved ones still be able to maintain you died of natural causes...? Thinking

Playing both sides against the middle, 'reverend'?

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A shaman is a witch doctor is a shaman is a witch doctor.
You can't both have your cake and eat it of course.

Strongbad · September 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm

(August 25, 2011 at 4:09 pm)madashell Wrote: I've always wondered why those who claim belief in a higher power are so adament about keeping those loved ones who are obviously going to die on life support beyond a reasonable time.

If it's all in the hands of a supreme being then why not let him decide rather than the doctors and the machines etc.?

I've always wondered why religious folk (especially Christians) don't throw massive parties to celebrate the death of a loved one, given that they believe that the deceased has now "gone to heaven". Since most of them also believe that the death was "God's will" or "God's special plan", shouldn't they be ashamed for being so selfish as to grieve the loss of someone that their God clearly wanted dead.

**The Grand Nudger** · September 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm

(September 3, 2011 at 4:35 am)padraic Wrote: I've always wanted to see a person get run over by a tank.

Obviously people don't slow the tank down at all. If they get caught by track you see a pretty much instantaneous cloud of fine red spray, the track eviscerates them and throws some pieces up like a rooster tail in the back, leaves some on the ground, more gets stuck (especially in the drive wheel teeth).

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