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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:38 pm
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(April 2, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: MysticKnight Wrote:I'm not answering questions anymore. I'm going to present rest of God's proofs in Quran which are sound arguments, among them, the value and vision/witness arguments.
You don't understand what makes an argument sound, MK. You never have. You are the least qualified person on this board to recognize whether an argument is sound or not. Until you figure it out, you're not going to make an inch of progress with your 'arguments'.
You assess that but from my perspective, you guys don't want there to be a proof for God. You don't. So if you are reminded, you act ignorantly and deny.
I don't see you guys as rational and vice versa.
You see me sticking to irrationality and I see the other way.
So in this regard, what is the way forward.
If I am supposed to be bring proof, the very least, is you guys should be good listeners. Not argumentative, but trying to make the best out of my argument and understand it, and give me the tools to help you if I do have proof.
But whether I do or not, or whether believers do or not, the fact is, you guys from my perspective are not possible believers.
That is you will reject proofs by your attitude no matter how well presented, how well and clear.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:40 pm
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It doesn't matter what we want. You don't have arguments. Period. If we wanted you to, you still wouldn't have them. It wouldn't matter whether or not you were right with that bullshit..because you don't present those arguments, full stop.
.......even if magic book were right..you're still wrong..............
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:43 pm
It does matter. If someone is burdened to present proof, then the ones asking for proof, their duty is to listen attentively and sincerely.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:46 pm
(April 2, 2018 at 5:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It does matter. If someone is burdened to present proof, then the ones asking for proof, their duty is to listen attentively and sincerely.
It would be different if you actually presented proof.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:46 pm
MysticKnight Wrote:It does matter. If someone is burdened to present proof, then the ones asking for proof, their duty is to listen attentively and sincerely.
We have. It's not our fault that you continually offer nonsense. Note that other theists on this board do not garner the same reactions that you do. It is possible to engage with most of them because they at least have an ide of what a coherent argument would look like.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:49 pm
We engaged... That's not the problem. The problem is when it ever it's get close to reaching the climax and reaching somewhere... people stray off the discussion or avoid answering what has become clear.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm
That's the crux of it. Some theists I can just disagree with. I understand why they think what they do. MK isn't one of them, he's a fucking loon of the highest order. His "arguments" -against- theism...lunacy...his "arguments" -for- theism....lunacy.
I don't think he'd know crazy if charles manson was sitting on his porch eating fruit loops.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 5:53 pm
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(April 2, 2018 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (April 2, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You don't understand what makes an argument sound, MK. You never have. You are the least qualified person on this board to recognize whether an argument is sound or not. Until you figure it out, you're not going to make an inch of progress with your 'arguments'.
You assess that but from my perspective, you guys don't want there to be a proof for God. You don't. So if you are reminded, you act ignorantly and deny.
I don't see you guys as rational and vice versa.
You see me sticking to irrationality and I see the other way.
So in this regard, what is the way forward.
If I am supposed to be bring proof, the very least, is you guys should be good listeners. Not argumentative, but trying to make the best out of my argument and understand it, and give me the tools to help you if I do have proof.
But whether I do or not, or whether believers do or not, the fact is, you guys from my perspective are not possible believers.
That is you will reject proofs by your attitude no matter how well presented, how well and clear.
You're asking them to shut up, and buy whatever you tell them?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 6:20 pm
(April 2, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (April 2, 2018 at 5:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It does matter. If someone is burdened to present proof, then the ones asking for proof, their duty is to listen attentively and sincerely.
It would be different if you actually presented proof.
And furthermore, just because we disagree with something doesn't mean we're not listening.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 6:20 pm
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@Atlas
No more so than yourself. That's the constructive fault of every believer. All of you get pissy when we laugh in your faces for stepping on your own dicks.
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