For those of you are curious about the contributions of Muslims to mathematics:

• They invented algebra.
  
• Maryam Mirzakhani, an Iranian Muslim, is the only woman to win the Fields Medal. She died in 2017 of breast cancer.
  

One of those things is not like the other....

Algebra comes from a name on the treatise called "Book on Addition and Subtraction after the Method of the Indians".

Seems like they were crediting someone else, lol. 

It's more accurate to say that the scribe class in the early ummah preserved what they found as a consequence of conquest at a time when the rest of the world was burning books.

الجبر
Al Gabr
That's "Algebra" in Arabic

الكحول
Alcohol
Also, an Islamic introduction to Europe

القهوة
Coffee
Discovered and made in Islamic Yemen

You don;t really think that your religion gets to claim maths that they literally credited to someone else and that predate their very civilization by centuries......or that my ancestors didn;t know how to make liquor...before your religion came along...do you.......?

Look, props for not burning shit to the ground when the christers were...but...those guys were ignorant assholes. That's an awfully low bar. I have no idea why muslims copied their religion, of all religions.

I'll give you coffee...though, not so much as a discovery..more like the exploitation of a profitable market...but that shits great so good on ya.

Those scribes...btw.....not muslim arabs. Enslaved zoroastrian persians.

(April 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You don;t really think that your religion gets to claim maths that they literally credited to someone else and that predate their very civilization by centuries......or that my ancestors didn;t know how to make liquor...before your religion came along...do you.......?

Look, props for not burning shit to the ground when the christers were...but...those guys were ignorant assholes.  That's an awfully low bar.  I have no idea why muslims copied their religion, of all religions.

I'll give you coffee...though, not so much as a discovery..more like the exploitation of a profitable market...but that shits great so good on ya.

I do agree that people today have nothing to do with people of the past. That is a different world.
Hey; that's why I hate nationalism anyways. We are not our parents. My ancestors' achievements were theirs; not mine.

That way Muslim scientists did contribute their share; and their contributions were huge. All the three contributions dominate the world now, everybody drinks coffee, all the world puts alcoholic perfumes -and some drink it-, and everybody uses math.

The Islamic nation contributed big, that my opinion, and so many don't give them that credit.

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(April 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Those scribes...btw.....not muslim arabs.  Enslaved zoroastrian persians

And enslaving them was wrong.
Still, some were given the treatment of kings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk

OFC they did....but they didn't discover algebra, introduce alcohol, or discover coffee....lol.

It's more than a little bit disengenous to call the proceeds of bloody theft a "discovery".....don't you think? Muslims "discovered" all that shit a bit like europeans "discovered" america.

No, scratch that..they "discovered" all of that shit -exactly- the same way europeans "discovered" america. By killing the previous owners, putting their names on it..and then lying their balls off for centuries about what they did.

(April 12, 2018 at 5:41 pm)Khemikal Wrote: OFC they did....but they didn't discover algebra, introduce alcohol, or discover coffee....lol.

It's more than a little bit disengenous to call the proceeds of bloody theft a "discovery".....don't you think?  Muslims "discovered" all that shit a bit like europeans "discovered" america.  

No, scratch that..they "discovered" all of that shit -exactly- the same way europeans "discovered" america.  By killing the previous owners, putting their names on it..and then lying their balls off for centuries about what they did.

I can kind of see it from Atlas' perspective.  As we all know, the Irish invented the wheel, teacakes, and those wee aglet thingies on the ends of bootlaces.  If you don't believe me, wait 20 minutes and check Wikipedia.

Boru

(April 12, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: For those of you are curious about the contributions of Muslims to mathematics:

• They invented algebra.
  
• Maryam Mirzakhani, an Iranian Muslim, is the only woman to win the Fields Medal. She died in 2017 of breast cancer.
  

In all seriousness. I may blaspheme religion and every religion without exception.

EVERY religion worldwide, women included in our ENTIRE species history, have all made contributions to discovery.

BUT that does not prove one religion over another or one god over another.


It only proves humans evolved to be curious. 

I certainly want to see more females WORLDWIDE have more education and power economically and politically. But that does not change as a species, that our curious nature is NOT handed down to us from a divine place.

Our species ability to figure things out, comes from the same place chimps figure out how to use sticks to get at termites and how your dog can figure out how to escape your fenced in back yard. EVOLUTION.

If contribution to discovery  proved one religion correct, the Chinese invented gun powder. The ancient Greeks were the first to use the word "atom".

I am happy for this lady, but that does not make Allah real. Anymore than Newton's religious beliefs made his pet claim true.

The contribution of the umma to modern society is the transmission of classical western culture..back to westerners, who'd lost their minds in the intervening centuries.  Atlas "perspective", otoh, is propaganda he's been fed since birth about a legendary muslim kingdom that never existed.  Which is ironic...because the product of that theft was written into his own magic book.  He outta know.

If I had a time machine, I'd have no problem shaking some 7th century arabs hand and saying "hey buddy, thanks for holding our shit for us - and btw, watch your back..because we aren't gonna be overly grateful about it in a few years".  I only pushback on Atlas because he;s under the impression that the arabs who swept across the med and africa were somehow a greater and more intellectual society than they were...when the truith is that their greatest exertion came in the form of counting horses barefoot while vassal states did the heavy mental lifting. Hell..it was pagans what wrote the first islamic magic book.......

We've all been there....and it's important to acknowledge that fact.