Its because of these kind of retarded ideas that most christians end completely fucked up.

(September 4, 2011 at 3:16 am)Castle Wrote: I am not getting much out of this Forum

Good buy

I shouldn't think you would be... you not even having an avatar

(September 3, 2011 at 10:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I know a lot of Christian masturbaters, so I have no idea why we're even having this conversation.

Christianity and Islam are essentially mental masturbation rackets with an utterly unscrupulous own-marketshare-at-all-cost-to-society business model and frequently murderous monopolistic bent, So naturally they can not abide by competition with a physical advantage. This is why they deem physical masturbation sinful eventhough their own forms of mental masturbation have been murderously and comprehensively harmful everywhere they are practiced, whereas physical masturbation has never been show to have anything like.

(September 4, 2011 at 3:54 am)coffeeveritas Wrote:

(September 4, 2011 at 3:16 am)Castle Wrote: I am not getting much out of this Forum

Good buy

I don't think there have been any Christian replies yet, so I'll take this one. Don't say "Good buy" (?) just yet Castle.

I'd like to quote the professor of my abuse counseling class who said, "I'm going to go ahead and list all the verses in the Bible that talk about masturbation. . . . . . . . . That was a complete list of all the verses in the Bible that talk about masturbation." He's completely right too. There are no verses in the Bible that talk about it, and obviously it was still going on at the time (judging from ancient art). So the Bible's stance on the subject seems to be, "Meh" *shrugs*.

A disproportionate majority of people masturbate with at least some frequency (numbers are in the 90-95% range for both genders in some demographics). Obviously it's a problem to be addicted to porn, or compulsively masturbate, but some Christian ethicists (such as Lew Smedes) would say that otherwise whether or not to masturbate is up to the individual. (The Bible says to "love thyself" right?).

So basically the church has traditionally made a big deal out of sexual issues, and has a lot to say them. However, it is important to keep in mind that there is a book of erotic poetry in the middle of the Bible, and that Paul tells married couples that they should not stop having sex. The Bible seems pretty okay with sex, and certainly it is a gift from God. So in reality, there is no clear direction either way about masturbation in the Bible.

*For info about sexuality in America it is always illuminating to look at the Chicago Institute's yearly survey of sexual habits. One interesting trend is that female masturbation is way up, finally giving the men a run for their money. In the teenage demographic, females are dead even with males now. Girlpower!

That is more of an open view than most Christian I chatted with. More empowerment for the women, alright.

Many of the Christian express to me anything that had to do with lust, was sinful. The reason for having sex according to many of these other Christians was to be fruitful and multiply more Christians.
Like it was part of God's plan, like every seed is sacred for this one-sided group.

It is written your GOD lives in the dark, is that why so many Christian live in the dark about masturbation, gays, and so many other areas about our sexuality. Is your GOD really all loving, when so many Christian carry too many negative things about sex,

I can't even love myself first; I must love him first, according to your God.
Jerkin for Jesus is not my style, and too gay for me to turn myself on.

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Welsh cake Wrote:

(September 3, 2011 at 10:49 pm)Castle Wrote: A sin consists in loving something that God hates, or in hating something that God loves. Because God is pure love, in one sense there is no hatred in God. But there are actions that God regards with a COMPLETE ABSENCE of love. There are many things that men can do that God does not love. In so far as God does not love a human action, according to our way of thinking it can be said that God hates it. These actions are sins.

God is pure love, yet is hateful at times? Can you please rephrase this into something that doesn't cause my eyeballs to turn black?

Why should I doctor up, a Christian quote, that’s their problem. I can avoid sin baggage by adjusting my own mistakes.

If I can live my life without hate, or avoid hating sin like their GOD that can't help himself from doing, how strong is this God, really?

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Why should I doctor up, a Christian quote, that’s their problem. I can avoid sin baggage by adjusting my own mistakes.

If I can live my life without hate, or avoid hating sin like their GOD dose, how strong is this God, really?

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(September 4, 2011 at 12:51 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

(September 4, 2011 at 3:16 am)Castle Wrote: I am not getting much out of this Forum

Good buy

I shouldn't think you would be... you not even having an avatar

Avatar your thing, "What we have here is a failure to communicate,"

Putting your song theories to the test, btw, Rhythm.

(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Castle Wrote:

(September 4, 2011 at 3:54 am)coffeeveritas Wrote:

That is more of an open view than most Christian I chatted with. More empowerment for the women, alright.

Many of the Christian express to me anything that had to do with lust, was sinful. The reason for having sex according to many of these other Christians was to be fruitful and multiply more Christians.
Like it was part of God's plan, like every seed is sacred for this one-sided group.

The traditional view of sex that many churches put forth is just really not based on anything in the Bible. If you follow the development of the church's views on sex they were actually written by celibate monks who had nothing to do. Their whole lives were based on the guiding principle of "DON'T HAVE SEX OR TOUCH YOURSELF" and they are the same people that wrote the church's book on sexuality. Of course there have long been dissenting opinions.

The Bible seems to be fine with sex and sexuality, including that book of erotic poetry I mentioned earlier. There are verses that warn strongly about "sexual immorality" but Paul was mostly talking about the large weekly orgies that took place as part of the pagan worship of various gods. Unprotected sex with large numbers of prostitutes during a pagan ritual is probably something I would caution against as well, but there were Christians in the early church who were going. Another thing Paul is pretty adamant about is not marrying your own stepmother, but I think most of use don't like that one either. So when the NT talks about "sexual immorality" it's like, on a whole other level from what we're thinking about. Some Caligula kind of stuff.

(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Castle Wrote: It is written your GOD lives in the dark, is that why so many Christian live in the dark about masturbation, gays, and so many other areas about our sexuality. Is your GOD really all loving, when so many Christian carry too many negative things about sex,

I can't even love myself first; I must love him first, according to your God.
Jerkin for Jesus is not my style, and too gay for me to turn myself on.

Where is it written that God lives in the dark? He's usually described as the "Father of Heavenly Lights", or the "light of the world" or something.

But you are right when you say that many Christians are in the dark on a lot of sexual issues. Actually America as a country is not very sexually healthy, we have a lot of fear and angst surrounding sexuality (I wouldn't say it's ALL the churches fault, but man did we chip in on that one). It's really hard to do, but the church and the country at large has to learn to accept that we are sexual beings, and that being sexual is a natural and good part of life, not something to be afraid of.

(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Castle Wrote: Why should I doctor up, a Christian quote, that’s their problem. I can avoid sin baggage by adjusting my own mistakes.

If you intend to quote another person's work or paraphrase their statements entirely in future, will you kindly add quotation marks and then cite or reference them to avoid plagiarising.

http://www.newjerusalem.com/bepure.htm

This way, I can avoid responding to parrots regurgitating someone else's vomit.

Anti Sex includng anti masturbation are warped ideas people have about religion that isn't actually part of religion itself.

You're one to talk fr0ds.

Well exactly.