(May 6, 2018 at 2:34 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 2:31 pm)Quick Wrote: I hope we are not understanding each other. That would be best.

I think there are things that I take as a given because I am hardwired to think that way and has nothing to do with the free will I have chosen, if that is what you are asking?

Conversation over. Thanks.

I'm not a strict determinist either. As I stated earlier on this forum, I believe consciousness and the unconscious are not entirely predictable. I think that because of this element of randomness of how our neurons fire that what it is that dictates our behaviour in an absolute sense is, well, miraculous. I think we are hardwired for some processes, but that for others there is something very mystical about the way our brains work. I also think that there is an element of free will that one does have, but that our free will is something that is deep within our unconscious. Something directs us and I am not entirely sure it is actually us that directs us but I think... I think one way to say it would be that it is our soul that dictates certain things. Magic in your terms.

Being taught about the faith does not mean you become a robot. As you grow, you examine your faith and determine whether it is something that has a reasonable chance of being real or not. In fact, this should be a continued process.

(May 6, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote:  

Isn't it convenient that all religitards everywhere manage to get born into a culture which just so happens to follow the One True Religion?  Almost miraculous.

I'm not religious.

That was aimed at them.... not you.

Quote:If we had opened our eyes to the light under the shadows of St. Peter's at Rome, we should have been devout Catholics; born in the Jewish quarter of Aleppo, we should have contemned Christ as an imposter; in Constantinople, we should have cried "Allah il Allah, God is great and Mahomet is his prophet!" Birth, place, and education give us our faith. Few believe in any religion because they have examined the evidences of its authenticity, and made up a formal judgment, upon weighing the testimony. Not one man in ten thousand knows anything about the proofs of his faith. We believe what we are taught; and those are most fanatical who know least of the evidences on which their creed is based.



--Brig. Gen Albert Pike, C.S.A.

It is hardly a new thought.

There are Muslims and, perhaps, members of other faiths here.

I, myself, am a part of Norse mythology (or the figment of a deranged mind).

(May 6, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Quick Wrote: I'm not religious.

That was aimed at them.... not you.

Quote:If we had opened our eyes to the light under the shadows of St. Peter's at Rome, we should have been devout Catholics; born in the Jewish quarter of Aleppo, we should have contemned Christ as an imposter; in Constantinople, we should have cried "Allah il Allah, God is great and Mahomet is his prophet!" Birth, place, and education give us our faith. Few believe in any religion because they have examined the evidences of its authenticity, and made up a formal judgment, upon weighing the testimony. Not one man in ten thousand knows anything about the proofs of his faith. We believe what we are taught; and those are most fanatical who know least of the evidences on which their creed is based.



--Brig. Gen Albert Pike, C.S.A.

It is hardly a new thought.

Well, I don't really expect to have many original thoughts. >.<

(May 6, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote:  

Isn't it convenient that all religitards everywhere manage to get born into a culture which just so happens to follow the One True Religion?  Almost miraculous.

I find God's books are everywhere in every culture, but the interpretation by those who claim to be authorities are very bad, and this includes the Torah.

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I knew the sky was blue before I knew anything about the details of how it's blue nor why.

I knew God is real before I knew how I knew and what was his proof.

I knew morality to be real before I realized what it is.

Most people ought to believe in God simply because they see him.

How they see him and what's the reality they see, and being honest to that, is a debate in religions.

The proof is the image of God, his holy spirit, which after Jesus was Elijah, and the promised one to be sent was Mohammad who was the one who God would send per prayer of Moses, and he was succeeded by 12 Successors as predicted a true king followed up by twelve princes, and aforetime, there was twelve Navigating Captains in the covenant of Moses to the children of Israel.

And the Torah iterates the light emitted by Moses and Aaron, and the designation of Aaron's family. And it contradicts it but then verifies as well.

Mohammad is in the Torah and Gospels in a way that is subtle to not stir debate yet manifest and clear to those who seek to see through insight and not blindly following idols just as the family of the reminder is clear in the Quran for who seek the truth.

(May 6, 2018 at 5:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote:  

Isn't it convenient that all religitards everywhere manage to get born into a culture which just so happens to follow the One True Religion?  Almost miraculous.

I find God's books are everywhere in every culture, but the interpretation by those who claim to be authorities are very bad, and this includes the Torah.

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I knew the sky was blue before I knew anything about the details of how it's blue nor why.

I knew God is real before I knew how I knew and what was his proof.

I knew morality to be real before I realized what it is.

Most people ought to believe in God simply because they see him.

How they see him and what's the reality they see, and being honest to that, is a debate in religions.

The proof is the image of God, his holy spirit, which after Jesus was Elijah, and the promised one to be sent was Mohammad who was the one who God would send per prayer of Moses, and he was succeeded by 12 Successors as predicted a true king followed up by twelve princes, and aforetime, there was twelve Navigating Captains in the covenant of Moses to the children of Israel.

And the Torah iterates the light emitted by Moses and Aaron, and the designation of Aaron's family. And it contradicts it but then verifies as well.

Mohammad is in the Torah and Gospels in a way that is subtle to not stir debate yet manifest and clear to those who seek to see through insight and not blindly following idols just as the family of the reminder is clear in the Quran for who seek the truth.

You mention the Torah because of its age?

(May 6, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 5:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I find God's books are everywhere in every culture, but the interpretation by those who claim to be authorities are very bad, and this includes the Torah.

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I knew the sky was blue before I knew anything about the details of how it's blue nor why.

I knew God is real before I knew how I knew and what was his proof.

I knew morality to be real before I realized what it is.

Most people ought to believe in God simply because they see him.

How they see him and what's the reality they see, and being honest to that, is a debate in religions.

The proof is the image of God, his holy spirit, which after Jesus was Elijah, and the promised one to be sent was Mohammad who was the one who God would send per prayer of Moses, and he was succeeded by 12 Successors as predicted a true king followed up by twelve princes, and aforetime, there was twelve Navigating Captains in the covenant of Moses to the children of Israel.

And the Torah iterates the light emitted by Moses and Aaron, and the designation of Aaron's family. And it contradicts it but then verifies as well.

Mohammad is in the Torah and Gospels in a way that is subtle to not stir debate yet manifest and clear to those who seek to see through insight and not blindly following idols just as the family of the reminder is clear in the Quran for who seek the truth.

You mention the Torah because of its age?

Taoism has some good grounding in revelation from God as well. Perhaps even less corrupted than the Torah.

I see you have met MK, Quick.  I'm sure Atlas will be along eventually.

(May 6, 2018 at 5:31 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Quick Wrote: You mention the Torah because of its age?

Taoism has some good grounding in revelation from God as well. Perhaps even less corrupted than the Torah.

Well, I can tell someone has put in the work.