(May 8, 2018 at 3:24 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I see the points of view of those who don’t want this separate area. The reason being, faith for an atheist isn’t debatable. And if we are being honest, theists who debate are really just defending their faith. Witnessing, etc.

There is no absolute evidence to debate unlike secular topics. Faith is derived from many things and experience and emotions are both part of it.

To want a separate space to not be insulted, I get that. But I honestly see it turning into a pulpit for some to preach, which doesn’t offend me, but I’m not an atheist. So, I see both sides.

Heh, I am atheist, I don't get offended by preaching. Mouse wheel or scroll it up on mobile. It's so easy.

These days, I am more interested in cooking. Any advice on cauliflowers?

(May 8, 2018 at 3:42 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(May 8, 2018 at 3:24 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I see the points of view of those who don’t want this separate area. The reason being, faith for an atheist isn’t debatable. And if we are being honest, theists who debate are really just defending their faith. Witnessing, etc.

There is no absolute evidence to debate unlike secular topics. Faith is derived from many things and experience and emotions are both part of it.

To want a separate space to not be insulted, I get that. But I honestly see it turning into a pulpit for some to preach, which doesn’t offend me, but I’m not an atheist. So, I see both sides.

Heh, I am atheist, I don't get offended by preaching. Mouse wheel or scroll it up on mobile. It's so easy.

These days, I am more interested in cooking. Any advice on cauliflowers?

They’re good mashed.

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And CIJS...If you’re a Christian, Jesus didn’t have a safe space. He actually taught his followers that if people don’t listen to them, to shake the dust from their sandals and move on. His life was his message, so that’s just something to think about.

(May 8, 2018 at 3:42 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Even if I were an atheist, if I posted something that someone didn’t like about say politics, I don’t want to deal with that one special poster calling me a fuck wit or whatever, as it derails the dialogue. Other forums ban for a day or week or whatever, those types of offenders. Religious forums does this and it works. Play nice or go in time out.

In general, religious forums tend to ban atheists permanently for the slightest real or imagined offense. In my experience, atheists on religious forums are treated more as pets than as equals.

(May 8, 2018 at 4:24 pm)lol Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 8, 2018 at 3:42 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Even if I were an atheist, if I posted something that someone didn’t like about say politics, I don’t want to deal with that one special poster calling me a fuck wit or whatever, as it derails the dialogue. Other forums ban for a day or week or whatever, those types of offenders. Religious forums does this and it works. Play nice or go in time out.

In general, religious forums tend to ban atheists permanently for the slightest real or imagined offense.  In my experience, atheists on religious forums are treated more as pets than as equals.

There is an actual forum called “religious forums,” and they’re treated great. You should stop over there. A few mods are atheists and so is one of the admins. And there’s a decent number of atheist posters.

I think AF is relatively kind to theists, those that aren’t here with an obvious agenda.

Catholic Answers Forum is another one I would recommend. There were quite a few atheists there back when I was active, and they are allowed to stay so long as they follow the same rules that everyone else has to follow.

In fact, Poca is on there.

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(May 8, 2018 at 3:45 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: And CIJS...If you’re a Christian, Jesus didn’t have a safe space. He actually taught his followers that if people don’t listen to them, to shake the dust from their sandals and move on. His life was his message, so that’s just something to think about.

I am proposing the civility subforum for the sake of productive discussion and nothing more. The insults don't hurt my feelings as much as they are just disruptive to good discussion. And it would be a positive thing, IMHO, if there was a reserved section geared towards productive discussion. Nothing more, nothing less. If people want to call that a "safe space" so be it I suppose.

(May 8, 2018 at 3:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(May 8, 2018 at 2:53 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You want to be able to say nonsense and not be called a dumbshit, a place to not be offended. How is it not a safe space?

If you address what I say, and not something else, as well as explain why;   I have no problem if you think something is dumb.  If you are just hurling insults to poison the well, or trying to bully others to make yourself feel good, then that is both sad and uncivil.

As to not being offended.  That depends.  Is it your intention to offend?   Are you saying something with the sole purpose to offend?  IF I'm offended by facts and reason, then that is on me.  If you are saying stuff only to provoke, mock, or ridicule, then I think that would qualify.

And once again, I'm not, nor do I see anyone asking for a safe space.  It appears to be just in your imagination.  Your point still seems to be on false assumptions, and potions that I did not state nor do I hold.  I think that the Prime directive issued a short time ago was good.  I applaud the spirit behind it.  The problem is that it lacks teeth.  I think that the area for civil discussion would be the prime directive enforced.

It's funny how you say I'm not addressing what you are saying. I mean, all you are saying, up until this post is "nah uh, it's not a safe space" with mo explanation or even defense of it. Even though I repeatedly explained why I think it's exactly that. So I don't know how you would come to the conclusion that I wasn't addressng your point. Other than that it's just forum tripe that gets repeated a lot. It's actually exactly what I'm talking about. You are being offensive and insulting, know it, but masking it by not using curse words. Like saying I'm afraid of debating christians because you want a more censored environment. It doesn't even make sense.

None of which you replied to at all. So way to be a hypocritical cuntball.

Less censoship is always good. And you still are looking for a safe space. Here is an idea: be an adult, and be able to deal with being called names, like an adult

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This also goes to prove a point, christians have a hard on for censorship . Always have and always will.

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This also goes to prove a point, christians have a hard on for censorship . Always have and always will.

(May 8, 2018 at 3:42 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I personally think the forum as a whole should make name calling, insults, detailed threads with insults etc - bannable offenses. Not banned forever but time limits.

Even if I were an atheist, if I posted something that someone didn’t like about say politics, I don’t want to deal with that one special poster calling me a fuck wit or whatever, as it derails the dialogue. Other forums ban for a day or week or whatever, those types of offenders. Religious forums does this and it works. Play nice or go in time out.

I think if those rules were enforced (whether the mod spots it on sight or it’s reported) there wouldn’t be a need for a separate space.

bold mine 

Do you realize how deserted this place would get if that were to happen? IJS.

(May 8, 2018 at 5:10 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(May 8, 2018 at 3:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: If you address what I say, and not something else, as well as explain why;   I have no problem if you think something is dumb.  If you are just hurling insults to poison the well, or trying to bully others to make yourself feel good, then that is both sad and uncivil.

As to not being offended.  That depends.  Is it your intention to offend?   Are you saying something with the sole purpose to offend?  IF I'm offended by facts and reason, then that is on me.  If you are saying stuff only to provoke, mock, or ridicule, then I think that would qualify.

And once again, I'm not, nor do I see anyone asking for a safe space.  It appears to be just in your imagination.  Your point still seems to be on false assumptions, and potions that I did not state nor do I hold.  I think that the Prime directive issued a short time ago was good.  I applaud the spirit behind it.  The problem is that it lacks teeth.  I think that the area for civil discussion would be the prime directive enforced.

It's funny how you say I'm not addressing what you are saying. I mean, all you are saying, up until this post is "nah uh, it's not a safe space" with mo explanation or even defense of it. Even though I repeatedly explained why I think it's exactly that. So I don't know how you would come to the conclusion that I wasn't addressng your point. Other than that it's just forum tripe that gets repeated a lot. It's actually exactly what I'm talking about. You are being offensive and insulting, know it, but masking it by not using curse words. Like saying I'm afraid of debating christians because you want a more censored environment.  It doesn't even make sense.

None of which you replied to at all. So way to be a hypocritical cuntball.

Less censoship is always good. And you still are looking for a safe space. Here is an idea: be an adult, and be able to deal with being called names, like an adult

I don't think it is about use curse words either (if it's a part of it, I think that it should be a small part of it certainly with some grace).   As for your " safe space", you just seem to keep wanting to repeat and not listen. I can speak for myself thanks!  

I truly don't understand your aversion to a civil part of the forum with an emphasis on honest discussion. Perhaps afraid isn't the correct word, but I find the opposition to it humorous. 
If you have a particular point that you want addressed, perhaps you should be more civil.  Right now, the crap covers anything of value.

(May 8, 2018 at 3:42 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: I personally think the forum as a whole should make name calling, insults, detailed threads with insults etc - bannable offenses. Not banned forever but time limits.

Even if I were an atheist, if I posted something that someone didn’t like about say politics, I don’t want to deal with that one special poster calling me a fuck wit or whatever, as it derails the dialogue. Other forums ban for a day or week or whatever, those types of offenders. Religious forums does this and it works. Play nice or go in time out.

I think if those rules were enforced (whether the mod spots it on sight or it’s reported) there wouldn’t be a need for a separate space.

More censorship is not the answer, the answer to to just be an adult and interact with who you want to. Its so easy to ignore replies you don't want to, and interact with only the people you want to.

I think this whole idea is childish.

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(May 8, 2018 at 5:22 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(May 8, 2018 at 5:10 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: It's funny how you say I'm not addressing what you are saying. I mean, all you are saying, up until this post is "nah uh, it's not a safe space" with mo explanation or even defense of it. Even though I repeatedly explained why I think it's exactly that. So I don't know how you would come to the conclusion that I wasn't addressng your point. Other than that it's just forum tripe that gets repeated a lot. It's actually exactly what I'm talking about. You are being offensive and insulting, know it, but masking it by not using curse words. Like saying I'm afraid of debating christians because you want a more censored environment.  It doesn't even make sense.

None of which you replied to at all. So way to be a hypocritical cuntball.

Less censoship is always good. And you still are looking for a safe space. Here is an idea: be an adult, and be able to deal with being called names, like an adult

I don't think it is about use curse words either (if it's a part of it, I think that it should be a small part of it certainly with some grace).   As for your " safe space", you just seem to keep wanting to repeat and not listen. I can speak for myself thanks!  

I truly don't understand your aversion to a civil part of the forum with an emphasis on honest discussion. Perhaps afraid isn't the correct word, but I find the opposition to it humorous. 
If you have a particular point that you want addressed, perhaps you should be more civil.  Right now, the crap covers anything of value.

Maybe you get a lot of crap towards you because of a problem with you that inspires it as a response. For example insulting people and then crying that they aren't being civil enough towards you. It is easy to have civil conversations on here and ignore the crap, if that is what you are after.

I don't know how that is such a problem. I think that this idea is being championed by forum theists says it all. Theists, as a group, always tend towards censorship and away from free speech. Both in reality and online. Atheist forums are always rowdier more fun places. There are already so many places on christian forums with exactly the rules you guys want. There is no reason to have it hear, and I hope the idea is not even entertained. I think the very existence of it here would detract from the fun chaos of atheist forums and basically create two forums. We already have a place we like. If you want more censorship, just go join a Christian forum, they are full of it.

Also, it still sounds like you want a safe space. You say I'm not listening, but I've read everything you wrote twice and you aren't even offering a reason it's not. So maybe try that, start with "this is not a safe space because....."

(May 3, 2018 at 7:36 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Time to start again from fresh. I messed up myself already. Starting from now, I will try my best to be serious and really, really civil in this thread.

I've found that if you add 'Bro' at the end of any sentence it's almost impossible to offend, let me show you.

1) you stink like shit
2) you stink like shit.. Bro

See what I mean.