(March 29, 2018 at 9:32 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

Catholic_Lady Wrote:There's with the "not allowed" again. Also, I didn't say a word about hypocritical, but whatever. Straws are fun, and I don't need to explain myself again.

It's like you can't read English with your filters on. I never said you said 'not allowed'. I never said you said 'hypocritical'. That didn't keep you from not allowing us to have this conversation without you chiming in and JAQing off about 'I thought atheism was just not believing in God, looks like it's about other things too, huh? (paraphrasing)' All kinds of super literal once you were called on it.

If we were allowed to have this conversation in this place without someone using it as an opportunity to take a crack at our stance, you wouldn't have taken the opportunity about 'is atheism as you've been describing it consistent with these movie lists? (paraphrasing)'

Waiting for a response stating you didn't use the words 'English', 'filters', 'literal', 'conversation', or 'opportunity'.

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Catholic_Lady Wrote:All I have done in this thread is merely pointed out that most movies in Hollywood are vastly non religious related.

So are most plumbing manuals. Does that somehow make them of special relevance to atheists?

If you're seriously that bothered by the fact that I pointed out most movies already are atheist friendly, and explained why I think so, then I don't know what to tell you. Sorry.

I think what we're trying to say is that most movies are atheist neutral. It's semantics. These movies appeal to atheists, and we still only don't believe in deities. There's nothing to see here. If you started a thread that listed "Christian-friendly movies" and they were all about Christianity and things that interest Christians, I doubt people would say, "well, most movies don't even mention atheism, so they're Christian-friendly by default." I can see how your original comment could be mistaken as an attempted "gotcha" moment.

(March 29, 2018 at 10:45 am)Shell B Wrote: I think what we're trying to say is that most movies are atheist neutral. It's semantics. These movies appeal to atheists, and we still only don't believe in deities. There's nothing to see here. If you started a thread that listed "Christian-friendly movies" and they were all about Christianity and things that interest Christians, I doubt people would say, "well, most movies don't even mention atheism, so they're Christian-friendly by default."

Because Christianity has specific sets of defining principles and beliefs involved. While atheism is just absence of belief. That's what I meant by that.

Quote:I can see how your original comment could be mistaken as an attempted "gotcha" moment.

Hopefully, considering I haven't followed up with any sort of actual "gotcha!", most people can see that this was not my intention lol.

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To my first point, I'll add that I now know what you mean though. Which is why I responded to Mooney with "fair enough", after she explained it.

(March 29, 2018 at 11:04 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(March 29, 2018 at 10:45 am)Shell B Wrote: I think what we're trying to say is that most movies are atheist neutral. It's semantics. These movies appeal to atheists, and we still only don't believe in deities. There's nothing to see here. If you started a thread that listed "Christian-friendly movies" and they were all about Christianity and things that interest Christians, I doubt people would say, "well, most movies don't even mention atheism, so they're Christian-friendly by default."

Because Christianity has specific sets of defining principles and beliefs involved. While atheism is just absence of belief. That's what I meant by that.

Quote:I can see how your original comment could be mistaken as an attempted "gotcha" moment.

Hopefully, considering I haven't followed up with any sort of actual "gotcha!", most people can see that this was not my intention lol.

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To my first point, I'll add that I now know what you mean though. Which is why I responded to Mooney with "fair enough", after she explained it.

(bolding mine)

How specific is this?


Galatians 6:2  (KJV)
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Galatians 6:5  (KJV)
For every man shall bear his own burden.


Somebody works out specifically how that works and they'll have something.

Now that's a "gotcha" moment.

I know it wasn't intended as a gotcha, CL. It's just that atheism really is simply a lack of belief in deities. We may have interests that are common among us, though, so we wind up sharing a bit more beyond that lack of belief.

In that case my apologies for having offended anyone.

Oh, shit, I'm not offended. Just having a chat.

Lol, yeah I know you personally aren't.

I want to enrich this topic with a movie I recently saw

God on Trial (2008)



Inmates in Auschwitz put god on trial to try to find an answer why and what kind of god would allow them and their children to be killed and tortured like this. First they go trough their Jewish "history" of persecution and try to reason that god did protect them by making all their historical enemies disappear while they and their holy Torah survive, but then some other arguments follow.

Don't forget Saved!:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332375/

It is fantastic, especially, the extended (now on DVD) version!!  You will laugh your asses off!!!  (No spoilers, please!)