When eighty percent of what you say is word salad......

(May 16, 2018 at 9:57 am)Kit Wrote: When eighty percent of what you say is word salad......

Whatever, that's your opinion. You just show your straw man tactic.

Plenty of respectable scientists can look inside of a cell, after all, and see no need to include god into the equation.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:59 am)Kit Wrote: Plenty of respectable scientists can look inside of a cell, after all, and see no need to include god into the equation.

Then they are blind.

I am going to trust those scientist who provide unbiased knowledge rather than those pretend scientists who want to view the cell as equivocal to Jesus' image on toast.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 9:13 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: It isn't misinformation, it is what your mad book states.

It isn't out of context, it is slap bang in the context of Genesis.
"out-of-context" is always the excuse used when a god-botherer is confronted with what the bible actually states.

No, Gen 3:9 god explicitly states he couldn't find adam.

Post hoc rationalisation.

You are now stating that while you admit what it says, you know what it really meant. That's dumb.

That is not free will and they did not have it until AFTER the ate the fruit.

No, the serpent told them too and at that point they didn't know anything was wrong with that.

What a prick. And didn't he already know how it would turn out?

What a prick. So you now claim that your god maliciously framed Adam and Eve.

That is an outright lie. Both are named in Gen 3

Tree of knowledge in Gen 2:17, that was the one they ate from.
Tree of Life in Gen 3:22. The one they had not eaten from and god shit himself

Now there is a second tree? Make up your mind.

There was no animal death up to then. The first happened in Gen 3:21. Up to that Adam and Eve were vegetarians. Explicitly stated in Gen 2:16. And before you claim that Adam could have been eating animals as well, god had not yet created them at that point.

The scriptures say slavery, genocide, incest and human sacrifice is OK. Do you accept those?

You took it out of context.

No. It is directly in the context of Genesis. Bleating the "out of context" mantra like a mindless sheep will not help your case.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He always knows where Adam is but wanted Adam to come out from hiding himself.

Your god states that he doesn't. Is god lying?

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, what I said stands.

It was a free will choice to eat the apple.

How could he know it was wrong? He hadn't learned good from evil yet? Why did god intentionally place the tree there in the full knowledge that the serpent would turn up and Adam and eve would eat from the tree? According to you god knew it in advance. There was nothing Adam or eve could do about it? That is not "free will".

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, the serpent told Eve to and she knew because they were told not to eat of that tree.

How would Eve know it was wrong? How would Eve know or understand the consequences of such an action? Why did Eve not drop dead? And Adam?

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, He knew how it would turn out but He had a plan of redemption in place.

Sure, his plan, if such it can be called was for millennia of bloodshed and all manner of horror, followed by raping Mary to impregnate her with himself to give birth to himself so that he could sacrifice himself to himself to forgive everyone else for falling for the rigged game that he himself set up in the first place. And if he knew how it would turn out, nobody else had free will at all.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I am saying He allowed the serpent to tempt them. 

Because your god is that much of a prick. He could easily have prevented all of it.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Oh yes, two trees.  God did not want them to eat of the tree of life so He had it guarded. 

Yes, two trees.

Apology accepted.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: I believe there were carnivorous animals at the time.  I believe there was animal death.  I believe in Old Earth Creationism.

The bible supports none of that.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, you just hate God and do what you can to make Him sound horrible when He is not. 

How can I hate god? He doesn't exist to be hated. And I need make no effort to make god appear horrible. The bible, which you obviously have not read, does that all of it's lonesome.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He is just, loving, merciful, and trustworthy. 

Slavery. Explain slavery.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: He also has anger and wrath though and punishes sin.

So not "loving" after all.

(May 16, 2018 at 9:27 am)CDF47 Wrote: Try new verses so we don't go round in circles on these because that is what will happen.

Sure. Have some incest. Noah's family. Lot's family, King David, King solomon and various others.

How about absurdity? Ex 9:6, god kills all the cattle in Egypt. Now that they are all dead, he kills them again in Ex 9:19 and again in Ex 12:29

(May 16, 2018 at 9:56 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, the human can create something without designing it, I suppose. 

So you agree that not everything in the universe is designed despite you repeatedly saying that it is.

I can create things because your god allows me to and I have free will.

If I design something then your god did not design it.

But not everything I create is by design.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:01 am)Kit Wrote: I am going to trust those scientist who provide unbiased knowledge rather than those pretend scientists who want to view the cell as equivocal to Jesus' image on toast.

And I am going to trust those scientists who reveal and thoroughly explain the intricacies of the cell.  The masterful design of the information and machinery.

(May 16, 2018 at 10:03 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:01 am)Kit Wrote: I am going to trust those scientist who provide unbiased knowledge rather than those pretend scientists who want to view the cell as equivocal to Jesus' image on toast.

And I am going to trust those scientists who reveal and thoroughly explain the intricacies of the cell.  The masterful design of the information and machinery.

You rank scientists above your bible?

(May 16, 2018 at 10:10 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 10:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: And I am going to trust those scientists who reveal and thoroughly explain the intricacies of the cell.  The masterful design of the information and machinery.

You rank scientists above your bible?

He means those pretend ID scientists.