(May 17, 2018 at 8:47 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So if the choices are to love and care for another human being, or to kill it, and focus on my career, which option do I choose?  How about career or let someone else care for that child?  Which of these is the least bad?

If a human has the mental capacity of a cat or chipmunk is it really a human in the ways that matter?

Are you saying that people with less mental acuteness are less human?

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(May 17, 2018 at 8:58 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So if the choices are to love and care for another human being, or to kill it, and focus on my career, which option do I choose? How about career or let someone else care for that child? Which of these is the least bad?

And you're sure you actually have someone else who can take care of the child, and won't fuck it up so bad they'll probably wonder if they wished their birth mother actually had that abortion? Or that you yourself can do so?

No...I’m not sure. No one is sure of that, whether adopted or not. Whether they have two parents or a single parent. If you are miserable with life, don’t take it out on others.

(May 17, 2018 at 9:19 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:47 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: If a human has the mental capacity of a cat or chipmunk is it really a human in the ways that matter?

Are you saying that people with less mental acuteness are less human?

When the vast majority of abortions take place, the fetus in question has yet to develop ANY mental acuities (about 20 weeks in). I'm not saying they're poorly developed, I'm saying they haven't developed at all. They do usually develop some brain activity around the 20 week mark, but to make the claim that it doesn't make a difference if they haven't if they potentially can, I would like to point out that the exact same potential exists within my sperm. And multiple times a day, 250 million of these potential lives (four times more than died during World War 2) live, die, and spill out over the skin around my navel.

(May 17, 2018 at 8:58 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So if the choices are to love and care for another human being, or to kill it, and focus on my career, which option do I choose?  How about career or let someone else care for that child?  Which of these is the least bad?

And you're sure you actually have someone else who can take care of the child, and won't fuck it up so bad they'll probably wonder if they wished their birth mother actually had that abortion? Or that you yourself can do so?

and still would not address the issue of bodily autonomy .

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(May 17, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:19 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Are you saying that people with less mental acuteness are less human?

When the vast majority of abortions take place, the fetus in question has yet to develop ANY mental acuities (about 20 weeks in). I'm not saying they're poorly developed, I'm saying they haven't developed at all. They do usually develop some brain activity around the 20 week mark, but to make the claim that it doesn't make a difference if they haven't if they potentially can, I would like to point out that the exact same potential exists within my sperm. And multiple times a day, 250 million of these potential lives (four times more than died during World War 2) live, die, and spill out over the skin around my navel.

People always fail to make the distinction . Were no talking about some born who has a disability. Were talking about some who has yet to acquire an ability .

(May 17, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:19 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Are you saying that people with less mental acuteness are less human?

When the vast majority of abortions take place, the fetus in question has yet to develop ANY mental acuities (about 20 weeks in). I'm not saying they're poorly developed, I'm saying they haven't developed at all. They do usually develop some brain activity around the 20 week mark, but to make the claim that it doesn't make a difference if they haven't if they potentially can, I would like to point out that the exact same potential exists within my sperm. And multiple times a day, 250 million of these potential lives (four times more than died during World War 2) live, die, and spill out over the skin around my navel.

So is that a no?

(May 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:58 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And you're sure you actually have someone else who can take care of the child, and won't fuck it up so bad they'll probably wonder if they wished their birth mother actually had that abortion? Or that you yourself can do so?

and still would not address the issue of bodily autonomy .

It's become abundantly clear that that is a point he does not give a shit about. If it can potentially become a human of its own, what difference does it make if it's currently physically attached to another in a way that can be seen by the host as parasitic?

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(May 17, 2018 at 9:37 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: When the vast majority of abortions take place, the fetus in question has yet to develop ANY mental acuities (about 20 weeks in). I'm not saying they're poorly developed, I'm saying they haven't developed at all. They do usually develop some brain activity around the 20 week mark, but to make the claim that it doesn't make a difference if they haven't if they potentially can, I would like to point out that the exact same potential exists within my sperm. And multiple times a day, 250 million of these potential lives (four times more than died during World War 2) live, die, and spill out over the skin around my navel.

So is that a no?

I'm saying there's no comparison.

(May 17, 2018 at 9:38 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: and still would not address the issue of bodily autonomy .

It's become abundantly clear that that is a point he does not give a shit about. If it can potentially become a human of its own, what difference does it make if it's currently physically attached to another in a way that can be seen by the host as parasitic?

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(May 17, 2018 at 9:37 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So is that a no?

I'm saying there's no comparison.

I told you before that it is false to say that I don’t care about any distress or apprehension a mother may be going through in an unplanned and poorly timed pregnency. Now I’m telling you again. If you continue to do so, it is just being dishonest. I just don’t think that those things justify killing someone.

I’m saying you don’t care about the distinction between a bodily autonomous human being and the difference between one who is basically a physical part of another, not the moral suffering that goes into the decision (that part you seem to care about, even if you do side more with the fetus). That’s what I was saying in that post.

(May 17, 2018 at 9:53 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I’m saying you don’t care about the distinction between a bodily autonomous human being and the difference between one who is basically a physical part of another, not the moral suffering that goes into the decision (that part you seem to care about, even if you do side more with the fetus). That’s what I was saying in that post.

He fails to make that distinction a lot >killing a fetus by removing it from body (a place it has no right to be ) is not like going out and killing someone with your body .

(May 17, 2018 at 9:53 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I’m saying you don’t care about the distinction between a bodily autonomous human being and the difference between one who is basically a physical part of another, not the moral suffering that goes into the decision (that part you seem to care about, even if you do side more with the fetus). That’s what I was saying in that post.

Nope... the dependency of the baby doesn’t make it any less human, With a right to life.

A place it has no right to be?! What? Where else would or could a fetus be?