(June 1, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Kit Wrote: If a particular race has an overall lower I.Q. according to statistics, I would personally think genetics were a major contributing factor.  Which is not to state that some people within that race are not genetically blessed to have higher I.Q.s.

I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 2:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: The very question you pose after appealing to that ultimate authority called Wikipedia suggests you didn’t understand what the authority said.

Say we're fliping a coin and determining how often it lands on heads or tails, the null hypothesis would be that the coin would have an equal chance of landing on heads as it would tails.

If your claim is that there are factors that would cause the coin to favor one side over the other, then what are the factors?

My question was basically asking what causes one to think that race plays a factor in determining IQ? Where is something tangible we can point at and say, ah ha, this race, has or lacks X that determines the level of intelligence?

No.  Null hypothesis depends on what your proposition is.   If you flip a coin and assert there is equal chance of it coming up heads or tails. Then the null hypothesis is it would preferentially come up one side rather than the other.

If you flip a coin and assert there is a greater chance of it coming up tails than heads, then the null hypothesis is it would not come up tails more often than heads.

Null hypothesis makes no assumption about how things are more likely to be. It simply says your evidence doesn’t prove your assertion as strongly as you think it does.

If your proposition is there is no difference in inteliigence between races, then the null hypothesis is there is.

If your proposition is there is difference in intelligence between races, then the null hypothesis is there isn’t.

What causes one to advance the proposition is irrelevant.  Something that is true remains true even if spoken for the most absurd reasons or out of the greatest malice.   Whether that thing actually is true must be evaluated based on evidence that can be used to support it.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Kit Wrote: If a particular race has an overall lower I.Q. according to statistics, I would personally think genetics were a major contributing factor.  Which is not to state that some people within that race are not genetically blessed to have higher I.Q.s.

I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

More important than education would probably be nutrition. If sub-Saharan Africans had the same nutrition as Whites, their IQs would be a lot higher.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Alexmahone Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

More important than education would probably be nutrition. If sub-Saharan Africans had the same nutrition as Whites, their IQs would be a lot higher.

Yeah, there's like a billion environmental factors I could see as having an impact on intelligence.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Kit Wrote: If a particular race has an overall lower I.Q. according to statistics, I would personally think genetics were a major contributing factor.  Which is not to state that some people within that race are not genetically blessed to have higher I.Q.s.

I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

Genetics and race are two completely different things.

Could parents that have high IQ's have a chance of passing those genes down? Sure, but what has that got to do with race?

I've pointed out repeatedly that of all the immigrant groups that come to the US, the African immigrants are the most educated and more educated that US citizens overall, and their whole continent is referred to as a Sh*ithole...

Explain that?

(June 1, 2018 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

Genetics and race are two completely different things.

Could parents that have high IQ's have a chance of passing those genes down? Sure, but what has that got to do with race?

I've pointed out repeatedly that of all the immigrant groups that come to the US, the African immigrants are the most educated and more educated that US citizens overall, and their whole continent is referred to as a Sh*ithole...

Explain that?

I have no idea what you're talking about, wasn't commenting on that, and wasn't addressing my posts to you.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:46 pm)Alexmahone Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

More important than education would probably be nutrition. If sub-Saharan Africans had the same nutrition as Whites, their IQs would be a lot higher.

Sub-Saharan African Immigrants in the U.S. Are Often More Educated Than Those in Top European Destinations

Ok, now you're just an open white supremacist at this point.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:34 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't think that anyone would disagree that genetics play a role in intelligence, but certainly so does environment.  Someone with zero or close-to-zero access to educational resources, or brought up in a culture that heavily indoctrinates certain ideas, etc, would also be expected to suffer intelligence-wise, even with good genes.

Genetics and race are two completely different things.

Could parents that have high IQ's have a chance of passing those genes down? Sure, but what has that got to do with race?

I've pointed out repeatedly that of all the immigrant groups that come to the US, the African immigrants are the most educated and more educated that US citizens overall, and their whole continent is referred to as a Sh*ithole...

Explain that?

The most educated ones are leaving the shithole?

(June 1, 2018 at 3:53 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Genetics and race are two completely different things.

Could parents that have high IQ's have a chance of passing those genes down? Sure, but what has that got to do with race?

I've pointed out repeatedly that of all the immigrant groups that come to the US, the African immigrants are the most educated and more educated that US citizens overall, and their whole continent is referred to as a Sh*ithole...

Explain that?

I have no idea what you're talking about, wasn't commenting on that, and wasn't addressing my posts to you.

Don't care, I was addressing you.

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(June 1, 2018 at 3:56 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Genetics and race are two completely different things.

Could parents that have high IQ's have a chance of passing those genes down? Sure, but what has that got to do with race?

I've pointed out repeatedly that of all the immigrant groups that come to the US, the African immigrants are the most educated and more educated that US citizens overall, and their whole continent is referred to as a Sh*ithole...

Explain that?

The most educated ones are leaving the shithole?

 Doesn't explain why they are more educated then the citizens of their destination.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:53 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, wasn't commenting on that, and wasn't addressing my posts to you.

Don't care, I was addressing you.

..Congratulations?  I wasn't having a conversation with you and I'm not about to start now.  I've tried it several times in the past and I envy those who haven't met you.

Call me a white supremacist and get it out of your system.