(June 1, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Your whole case is an argument from ignorance and a argument for incredulity.Mixed with bare assertions and a whole list of other fallacies .

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Quote:No one can come close to explaining it.  It is just shrugged off, like usual.

Argument from ignorance. And no you never back up your claims .You site propaganda or distort science for an agenda .

I really think there are a number of people on here who lie to serve their atheist agenda.  They know the truth, it is too obvious, but they, deny, deny, deny.

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Think of how human body temperature sensing and control works as one example. There are temperature sensors in the body that report to a central control system which then either provides heating or cooling to the human body. These are designed systems. The entire body plan is designed.

(June 1, 2018 at 5:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 7:04 am)possibletarian Wrote: *bold mine*

I know what you meant by that, but i don't even think he reached that lofty high (for him) as soon as the assertion of design, god or intelligence is mentioned, it's simply not science anymore.  he won't understand why that is a problem though, heck ten years ago i would have even agreed with him, it's amazing how much clearer things become when you don't pre-suppose a god to attach your 'don't know's' to.

It's about functional highly sophisticated information always coming from an intelligence.  It's not about a bunch of don't knows.

No sorry, "information" is a human word, not a magic sky wizard.

You are confusing how scientific language uses words verses how laypeople like you daydream at the prospect of a sky wizard being real.

The same bullshit you are pulling with the word "information" is the same mistake theists pull with the word "theory" in trying to claim it is just a guess.

" Information" in scientific terms isn't implying a sky ghost as a gap answer. It is a word used to describe human observation, it isn't meant to prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha. 

Just like "Theory" isn't a mere guess in science, nor does the word 'theory" prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha.

Theist apologists, and not just Christians, but of all labels, constantly twist words that scientists use to get it to point to their respective clubs. Scientific method is not a religion and is not there to point to your specific club.

"Information" in scientific language does not point to a super natural cognition. It does NOT imply cognitive design.

What you are mentally, and needlessly doing to yourself is selection bias and sample rate error. If everything is "designed" then why can humans choke because they share the same eating and breathing tube, whereas whales and dolphins don't have that problem? If complexity equaled ID then why do cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans?

If "design" were the case, then out of our 13.8 billion year old universe, and only 4 billion year old planet, if all this was put here for humans, why wait until 200,000 years to make us, then only 10,000 years to get to having humans write things down? Seems like a ton of waste to me if you want to claim a super cognition pulling our strings.

Then there is the moral problem with such a claimed being. If one were to pretend for argument's sake that such a being existed, my rational brain can only conclude that under such a parameter, that to this thing, we are merely lab rats, property or toys.

An estimated 50 to 60 million humans, depending on year, DIE from everything at every age, worldwide. That is half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years.

If that is a plan, or "design", I'd call it shitty, and not only shitty, but cruel.

I think the better option is, there is no magic sky hero and if we want to extend our finite ride as a species, we only have each other.

The other problem with this logic, is that of "infinite regress". If every thing has a designer, then that designer had a designer, and that designer had a designer, and so on and so on. It makes much more sense to me that humans when they speak of the super natural are merely projecting their own desires, insecurities and narcissism in the form of fictional heros they call gods. Most humans get sold a religion at birth, prior to being able to formulate adult critical thinking skills.

Quote:I really think there are a number of people on here who lie to serve their atheist agenda.

Then you are not very bright 

Quote:They know the truth, it is too obvious, but they, deny, deny, deny.

Conspiracy tripe 

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Assertion 
Argument from ignorance
Argument from incredulity

(June 1, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 5:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's about functional highly sophisticated information always coming from an intelligence.  It's not about a bunch of don't knows.

No sorry, "information" is a human word, not a magic sky wizard.

You are confusing how scientific language uses words verses how laypeople like you daydream at the prospect of a sky wizard being real.

The same bullshit you are pulling with the word "information" is the same mistake theists pull with the word "theory" in trying to claim it is just a guess.

" Information" in scientific terms isn't implying a sky ghost as a gap answer. It is a word used to describe human observation, it isn't meant to prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha. 

Just like "Theory" isn't a mere guess in science, nor does the word 'theory" prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha.

Theist apologists, and not just Christians, but of all labels, constantly twist words that scientists use to get it to point to their respective clubs. Scientific method is not a religion and is not there to point to your specific club.

"Information" in scientific language does not point to a super natural cognition. It does NOT imply cognitive design.

What you are mentally, and needlessly doing to yourself is selection bias and sample rate error. If everything is "designed" then why can humans choke because they share the same eating and breathing tube, whereas whales and dolphins don't have that problem? If complexity equaled ID then why do cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans?

If "design" were the case, then out of our 13.8 billion year old universe, and only 4 billion year old planet, if all this was put here for humans, why wait until 200,000 years to make us, then only 10,000 years to get to having humans write things down? Seems like a ton of waste to me if you want to claim a super cognition pulling our strings.

Then there is the moral problem with such a claimed being. If one were to pretend for argument's sake that such a being existed, my rational brain can only conclude that under such a parameter, that to this thing, we are merely lab rats, property or toys.

An estimated 50 to 60 million humans, depending on year, DIE from everything at every age, worldwide. That is half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years.

If that is a plan, or "design", I'd call it shitty, and not only shitty, but cruel.

I think the better option is, there is no magic sky hero and if we want to extend our finite ride as a species, we only have each other.

The other problem with this logic, is that of "infinite regress". If every thing has a designer, then that designer had a designer, and that designer had a designer, and so on and so on. It makes much more sense to me that humans when they speak of the super natural are merely projecting their own desires, insecurities and narcissism in the form of fictional heros they call gods. Most humans get sold a religion at birth, prior to being able to formulate adult critical thinking skills.

You need to learn more about DNA and how it works.  See my other posts where I linked the videos for easiest understanding.  It really is information.

Quote:You need to learn more about DNA and how it works.

You don't know dick about hoe DNA works . You just swallowed a bunch of ID crap . 

Quote:  See my other posts where I linked the videos for easiest understanding

You posts are rubbish and your videos even more so 

Quote:It really is information.

Lol

(June 1, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:You need to learn more about DNA and how it works.

You don't know dick about hoe DNA works . You just swallowed a bunch of ID crap . 

Quote:  See my other posts where I linked the videos for easiest understanding

You posts are rubbish and your videos even more so 

Quote:It really is information.

Lol

Serving your agenda.  Salute. You are so brainwashed, it ain't even funny.

(June 1, 2018 at 6:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No sorry, "information" is a human word, not a magic sky wizard.

You are confusing how scientific language uses words verses how laypeople like you daydream at the prospect of a sky wizard being real.

The same bullshit you are pulling with the word "information" is the same mistake theists pull with the word "theory" in trying to claim it is just a guess.

" Information" in scientific terms isn't implying a sky ghost as a gap answer. It is a word used to describe human observation, it isn't meant to prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha. 

Just like "Theory" isn't a mere guess in science, nor does the word 'theory" prop up Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or Buddha.

Theist apologists, and not just Christians, but of all labels, constantly twist words that scientists use to get it to point to their respective clubs. Scientific method is not a religion and is not there to point to your specific club.

"Information" in scientific language does not point to a super natural cognition. It does NOT imply cognitive design.

What you are mentally, and needlessly doing to yourself is selection bias and sample rate error. If everything is "designed" then why can humans choke because they share the same eating and breathing tube, whereas whales and dolphins don't have that problem? If complexity equaled ID then why do cockroaches and bacteria outnumber humans?

If "design" were the case, then out of our 13.8 billion year old universe, and only 4 billion year old planet, if all this was put here for humans, why wait until 200,000 years to make us, then only 10,000 years to get to having humans write things down? Seems like a ton of waste to me if you want to claim a super cognition pulling our strings.

Then there is the moral problem with such a claimed being. If one were to pretend for argument's sake that such a being existed, my rational brain can only conclude that under such a parameter, that to this thing, we are merely lab rats, property or toys.

An estimated 50 to 60 million humans, depending on year, DIE from everything at every age, worldwide. That is half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years.

If that is a plan, or "design", I'd call it shitty, and not only shitty, but cruel.

I think the better option is, there is no magic sky hero and if we want to extend our finite ride as a species, we only have each other.

The other problem with this logic, is that of "infinite regress". If every thing has a designer, then that designer had a designer, and that designer had a designer, and so on and so on. It makes much more sense to me that humans when they speak of the super natural are merely projecting their own desires, insecurities and narcissism in the form of fictional heros they call gods. Most humans get sold a religion at birth, prior to being able to formulate adult critical thinking skills.

You need to learn more about DNA and how it works.  See my other posts where I linked the videos for easiest understanding.  It really is information.

No I do not. I hope you don't think this is my first rodeo.

Adenine, Guanine, Thymine, Cytosine.

I FUCKING KNOW what DNA IS.

And no, it does not need a magic sky hero to take form. I am sorry that bothers you, but that is your baggage, not mine.

DNA does not prove the existence of Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or the reincarnation of Buddhism either.  There is no such thing as invisible sky wizard sperm, it takes TWO sets of DNA to manifest into a baby. And human beings do not survive the death mythology story of Jesus as the bible would have you believe. That was written in an age humans didn't know shit.

Christianity IS NOT the only religion that tries to retrofit it's old mythology with modern scientific knowledge. You'd know that if you spent 17 years on line debating multiple religions over the years like I have. 

SCIENTIFIC METHOD does not point to your god or any god, or any religion. IT IS A TOOL, and not there for bias apologies or old mythology.

(June 1, 2018 at 7:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 6:53 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You need to learn more about DNA and how it works.  See my other posts where I linked the videos for easiest understanding.  It really is information.

No I do not. I hope you don't think this is my first rodeo.

Adenine, Guanine, Thymine, Cytosine.

I FUCKING KNOW what DNA IS.

And no, it does not need a magic sky hero to take form. I am sorry that bothers you, but that is your baggage, not mine.

DNA does not prove the existence of Allah or Yahweh or Vishnu or the reincarnation of Buddhism either.  There is no such thing as invisible sky wizard sperm, it takes TWO sets of DNA to manifest into a baby. And human beings do not survive the death mythology story of Jesus as the bible would have you believe. That was written in an age humans didn't know shit.

Christianity IS NOT the only religion that tries to retrofit it's old mythology with modern scientific knowledge. You'd know that if you spent 17 years on line debating multiple religions over the years like I have. 

SCIENTIFIC METHOD does not point to your god or any god, or any religion. IT IS A TOOL, and not there for bias apologies or old mythology.

You can't even come close to trying to start explaining the complexity of DNA information and how it functions.

Quote:Serving your agenda.  

No such thing . Your the one with an agenda .

Quote:Salute. You are so brainwashed,it ain't even funn y

Nope that would be you. A brainwashed fundi .

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Quote:You can't even come close to trying to start explaining the complexity of DNA information and how it functions.

Argument from ignorance ,credulity and i could ad hominem.

If you believe things having information proves a designer, why even bother with DNA, everything has information, why not present rocks as your proof? This is classic watchmaker, we recognize things that are designed by contrasting them with things that occur naturally, if everything is designed then you cannot use "information" as your evidence because you don't have anything naturally occurring to compare it to see if it lacks information.