I think i know where Osama bin laden got his quote from now. You know, this guy?




Narrated Thawban:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.

Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4297

But just wondering. Do you like the honesty of people who love death over the so called life, as atheists are dead on earth of nihilism in the name of socialism and neo marxism"in context to the pussified european countries and American atheist community as a whole" lol.

Welcome, troll.

Did the OP even try to have some clear meaning?

(July 6, 2018 at 7:42 am)Rokie123 Wrote: I think i know where Osama bin laden got his quote from now. You know, this guy?




Narrated Thawban:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.

Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4297

But just wondering. Do you like the honesty of people who love death over the so called life, as atheists are dead on earth of nihilism in the name of socialism and neo marxism"in context to the pussified european countries and American atheist community as a whole" lol.

Whomever sold you the bullshit idea that all atheists agree on politics and we all love dictators LIED TO YOU.

Hate to burst your bubble, but, I do not like Stalin, or Hitler, Po Pot, or Kim Jong Un. They were monsters that no empathetic human should value.

Just because we do not buy old mythology does not make us emotionless robots. No, we will not barbecue your kittens or eat your babies.

FYI, western "socialism" is not the same as the authoritarian dictatorship of the former Soviet Union. AND while Marx understood the value of labor, the rest of his economic views were BULLSHIT.  

Got any other bullshit stereotypes you want to spew here?

I've come to expect a higher quality of troll on this forum. Step up your game, my dude.

(July 6, 2018 at 8:02 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 6, 2018 at 7:42 am)Rokie123 Wrote: I think i know where Osama bin laden got his quote from now. You know, this guy?




Narrated Thawban:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and last enervation into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: Love of the world and dislike of death.

Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4297

But just wondering. Do you like the honesty of people who love death over the so called life, as atheists are dead on earth of nihilism in the name of socialism and neo marxism"in context to the pussified european countries and American atheist community as a whole" lol.

Just because we do not buy old mythology does not make us emotionless robots. No, we will not barbecue your kittens or eat your babies.

FYI, western "socialism" is not the same as the authoritarian dictatorship of the former Soviet Union. AND while Marx understood the value of labor, the rest of his economic views were BULLSHIT.  

Got any other bullshit stereotypes you want to spew here?

Oh i dont mind if you make fun of fairy tales. But i wouldn't compare it to santa claus. It would be like me mocking your dead mother saying she is fairy tale now, to a believer it means more than just sky fairy. But i am not gonna be against the idea of criticism or satire, mockery, parodies those are important free speech elements.

And yes socialism is bad, not value wise but institution wise its on the level of neo fascism, neo nazism and communism which are all terrible system. Hate speech laws. What is hate speech? You are brown you can commit crimes because according to neo marxists its a never ending battle about the oppressed and oppressors even if the oppressed has bad ideas. So when pakitanis start a rape gang in United Kingdom, no problem you go ahead, and if the police gets called on it well you are a racist and you are more likely to be arrested for hate crime than police being held accountable. This would never happen in USA if this was a incident. So yeah, evil.

If anything i suggest the japanese model of Capitalism + neo liberalism like welfare, health care etc, never ever incorporate socialism into the system it sucks! And most gullible dumb atheists in USA and pussified european countries are advocating it. Also it is not smart to take in foreigners. Intergrate people here but by just letting us be a piggy back for rest of the world is like saying dont bother fixing your own countries or corrupt leaders, just send them over here. Which doesnt help us or their home countries.

So yeah socialism is just as bad as the other ideologies i mentioned

Yep definitely a troll.


Nothing to see here folks. Move it along.

And this, folks, is your brain on religion and trolling.

Don’t do it!

(July 6, 2018 at 8:15 am)Rokie123 Wrote:

(July 6, 2018 at 8:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: Just because we do not buy old mythology does not make us emotionless robots. No, we will not barbecue your kittens or eat your babies.

FYI, western "socialism" is not the same as the authoritarian dictatorship of the former Soviet Union. AND while Marx understood the value of labor, the rest of his economic views were BULLSHIT.  

Got any other bullshit stereotypes you want to spew here?

Oh i dont mind if you make fun of fairy tales. But i wouldn't compare it to santa claus. It would be like me mocking your dead mother saying she is fairy tale now, to a believer it means more than just sky fairy. But i am not gonna be against the idea of criticism or satire, mockery, parodies those are important free speech elements.

And yes socialism is bad, not value wise but institution wise its on the level of neo fascism, neo nazism and communism which are all terrible system. Hate speech laws. What is hate speech? You are brown you can commit crimes because according to neo marxists its a never ending battle about the oppressed and oppressors even if the oppressed has bad ideas. So when pakitanis start a rape gang in United Kingdom, no problem you go ahead, and if the police gets called on it well you are a racist and you are more likely to be arrested for hate crime than police being held accountable. This would never happen in USA if this was a incident. So yeah, evil.

If anything i suggest the japanese model of Capitalism + neo liberalism like welfare, health care etc, never ever incorporate socialism into the system it sucks! And most gullible dumb atheists in USA and pussified european countries are advocating it. Also it is not smart to take in foreigners. Intergrate people here but by just letting us be a piggy back for rest of the world is like saying dont bother fixing your own countries or corrupt leaders, just send them over here. Which doesnt help us or their home countries.

So yeah socialism is just as bad as the other ideologies i mentioned

Don't pull your politically correct bullshit with me.

1. I am a liberal, but no, that DOES NOT give other liberals the right to hide behind political correctness. I will always value non violence and human rights, but that DOES NOT make everything you claim true deserving of no criticism.

2. My mother was real and I can prove she existed. FYI she died last year. Having said that, unlike my mother whom I can prove existed, there is ZERO evidence of any type of super natural being. So yea, I do challenge those claims in the same way one grows up and gives up on the idea of Santa.

I could give  shit less if you wanted to claim Vishnu was real, or Thor was real. I may like you as an individual, but that does not constitute universal unbias evidence. I owe my fellow human the dignity of non violence, but that does not mean I have to remain silent in the face of unfounded claims.

I am tired of this bullshit. Wanting livable wages for workers is not calling for the end of the private sector. Wanting affordable health care and education that doesn't break the bank, does not make me a Cuba or Stalin loving commie. 

I am for the policies that gave rise to our middle class after WW2. I am for the private sector, just not abuse of power. I am for freedom of religion, just not theocracies. I am anti monopoly, on all aspects of society. I view all issues and claims as case by case. 

I do not want a Cuba or Russia style government. But I also do not want the GOP/Libertarian "fuck you I got mine" "let the rich do what they want all the time". 

FYI, "capitalism" is not a form of government. China is an oppressive state that allows capitalism, which is why when someone shops at Walmart the majority of what they buy their is made by PRIVATE COMPANIES, made in CHINA. Fidel Castro had an estimated personal wealth of $800 MILLION. Gadaffi was a BILLIONAIRE whom owned stock in General Electric. 

ALSO, if you would do some research on Hitler and the Nazis, he did not end the private sector, he simply stole private business and gave it to party loyalists.

There is absolutely NO government, friend or foe alike, that does not partake in the global market. 

I am anti monopoly, pro worker, neither nanny state Communism, nor "no rules" "let the rich use us like objects". 

If you study economic history, the policies that caused the stock market crash in 1929 were "no rules". After WW2 the private sector still existed, and religion still existed. But, the focus shifted to regulations to create stability, not in order to stop business, but in order to prevent it from causing another global crash.

Your mistake in posting your crappy OP, is you ran into educated posters.

OP is a Hadith, and just like all Hadiths we don't know if Mohammed -peace be upon him- did say it, I highly doubt that he said this, but the Hadith is recorded in " Sunan Abi Dawud".

Personally, I have many problems with it: first problem is that Muslims saw this devolution so many times, during the time of the Ummayads, during the Abassids, during the Ottomans (and we're now living the aftermath of the Ottoman decline), the black stone got robbed from the Ka'aba once , Jerusalem was taken once by the crusades, and more.

So as you can see, Muslims saw lots of disasters in the past. Actually, since the times of the prophet himself, nations from allover the world are fighting Islam (take the Eastern Romans, the Persians,...etc), the road was always bumpy and full of blood.

So this Hadith seems to me more of the words of a desperate man than the words of a prophet.