(July 20, 2018 at 7:49 am)chimp3 Wrote: If you can't win against the worst dumbass that has ever run for president then stay down.

The rules don't apply to Trump. He has done enough ten times over to be universally disliked. He is a sexually predatory, criminal, who is not only stupid but probably treasonous. 
But some americans love him. I supposed horrible people need a figure head.

(July 20, 2018 at 8:56 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(July 20, 2018 at 6:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Aye.  There is a reason why the lesser of two evils is called the "lesser evil."

Still evil. I’ll pass. I don’t leave my house to vote for people I don’t want in office.

We're on the same page on this actually. I know I included myself in those who show up to vote against a candidate because by and large that's how its been every time I've voted. But its also the reason I more or less stopped voting years ago. The exception being 2016 when I showed up and cast a vote against the orange fat man. My county went blue, rest of the state went red so leaving the house was futile and pointless as it turns out.

(July 20, 2018 at 11:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Because it's partially  true 

It's really not. Count the numbers. Also, blame the people who voted for Trump, not the people you'll want to court next election.

Quote:Yup 

Keep going. I'll be sure to vote for Republicans next time. Let's see who can be less of an ass before next election.

Quote:Sanders would not have won as much as i hate to say that 

Based on . . ?

Quote:Should have voted for him in the primary. 


[quote]
Nope even if we had we still would have gotten the shit lord

You couldn't have voted for anyone, so maybe don't tell me how to vote.

(July 20, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Shell B Wrote: And there it is. Democrats blaming swings for their shitty candidate. So, it's all our fault we wound up with Trump? Sanders would have got you the swing votes you needed. Should have voted for him in the primary. You didn't. That's how we wound up with shit lord.

I was actually glad that Hillary got the nomination over Bernie, not too happy with the way she and the DNC fucked him over, though. I was more worried that Sanders could have beaten Trump. The Bernie Bros were so pissed over the way he got screwed by the DNC and Hillary that a lot of them didn't vote for a presidential candidate.

(July 21, 2018 at 10:15 am)Shell B Wrote:

(July 20, 2018 at 11:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Because it's partially  true 

It's really not. Count the numbers. Also, blame the people who voted for Trump, not the people you'll want to court next election.

Quote:Yup 

Keep going. I'll be sure to vote for Republicans next time. Let's see who can be less of an ass before next election.

Quote:Sanders would not have won as much as i hate to say that 

Based on . . ?

Quote:Should have voted for him in the primary. 

Quote:Nope even if we had we still would have gotten the shit lord

You couldn't have voted for anyone, so maybe don't tell me how to vote.

1. What numbers are you arguing their statistic that swing voters would have predictably gone to Bernie .A nice thought but i'm not convinced .As for courting .who am i courting? i'm not a Democrat. 

2.By all means go right ahead and vote for the Republicans .Thou i hope you remember you did so over a disagreement on  the internet seems like kind of a trivial  thing to place the future of your country in peril over .

3.Based on 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...29926.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-bernie-...t-have-won

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ber...e7ec2a3cb7

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...p-election

https://medium.com/@sashastone/ten-reaso...96674c1c93

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/...index.html

4. You think because i can't vote( a thing that is hardly my fault ) i can't voice an opinion ? That American voting has no impact on my life ? And last i checked i never told you to vote for anyone .

(July 21, 2018 at 11:45 am)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. What numbers are you arguing their statistic that swing voters would have predictably gone to Bernie .A nice thought but i'm not convinced .As for courting .who am i courting? i'm not a Democrat. 

Because swings are typically Independent. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...ependents/

Quote:2.By all means go right ahead and vote for the Republicans .Thou i hope you remember you did so over a disagreement on  the internet seems like kind of a trivial  thing to place the future of your country in peril over .

Nope, I'll do it for the same reason that I usually tend toward Democrat, and that's because Republicans are dicks. By all means, keep being a dick to people who voted Bernie.

Quote:3.Based on 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...29926.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-bernie-...t-have-won

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ber...e7ec2a3cb7

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...p-election

https://medium.com/@sashastone/ten-reaso...96674c1c93

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/...index.html

Wow. Other than CNN, your sources are total crap.

Quote:4. You think because i can't  vote( a thing that is hardly my fault )

Move to the U.S. if you want a say in the vote.

Quote:i can't voice an opinion ?

Not at all. I think you can voice your opinion all you want. In fact, I'm happy to discuss American politics with anyone from anywhere. However, when you blame people like me, who didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, you're telling me which way I should vote. Personally, I don't think you get a say in how any of us vote. Yes, it may affect you, but Democracy isn't about voting for people in other countries. It's about voting for the way you want your country run. I don't want my country run by a bank shill in a pantsuit or a real estate shill in a toupee. Tough titty. Unless you want to hand over Trudeau, I don't see how you can help.

"Independent" is just a word for "does not play well with others."

(July 22, 2018 at 12:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Independent" is just a word for "does not play well with others."  

I'm okay with that.

(July 22, 2018 at 12:43 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(July 21, 2018 at 11:45 am)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. What numbers are you arguing their statistic that swing voters would have predictably gone to Bernie .A nice thought but i'm not convinced .As for courting .who am i courting? i'm not a Democrat. 

Because swings are typically Independent. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why...ependents/

Quote:2.By all means go right ahead and vote for the Republicans .Thou i hope you remember you did so over a disagreement on  the internet seems like kind of a trivial  thing to place the future of your country in peril over .

Nope, I'll do it for the same reason that I usually tend toward Democrat, and that's because Republicans are dicks. By all means, keep being a dick to people who voted Bernie.

Quote:3.Based on 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...29926.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-bernie-...t-have-won

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ber...e7ec2a3cb7

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016...p-election

https://medium.com/@sashastone/ten-reaso...96674c1c93

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/...index.html

Wow. Other than CNN, your sources are total crap.

Quote:4. You think because i can't  vote( a thing that is hardly my fault )

Move to the U.S. if you want a say in the vote.

Quote:i can't voice an opinion ?

Not at all. I think you can voice your opinion all you want. In fact, I'm happy to discuss American politics with anyone from anywhere. However, when you blame people like me, who didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, you're telling me which way I should vote. Personally, I don't think you get a say in how any of us vote. Yes, it may affect you, but Democracy isn't about voting for people in other countries. It's about voting for the way you want your country run. I don't want my country run by a bank shill in a pantsuit or a real estate shill in a toupee. Tough titty. Unless you want to hand over Trudeau, I don't see how you can help.

1. That did not answer my question .I'm well aware swings are independent and yes Bernie  does well with them .I still doubt it would be enough to beat Trump and this does not factor in how many would have actually stuck with the Bernie movement or even would have voted . Popularity does not equal votes .

2. I'm not a dick to people who voted for Bernie (Considering i support Sanders ) I'm simple pointing out your the one who said you would vote Republican over our discussion here .I said that would be silly .

3. Dismissing my links as " crap" is not an argument .

4.And lastly i'm not telling people how they should vote .Pointing out my agreement with the idea that not voting for X lead to election of Y does in no way mean i'm saying you  should have voted for X .Seriously you seem hell bent on imply i said something i never did. At no point  did i say vote for Hilary .At the start of this thread i made it clear i don't like Hilary. So kindly stop telling me what i said . I clearly said  "it's partially true" as in it's true in the sense of the X/Y equitation above.  That's not the same as direct blame nor telling you how to vote nor is it saying that they are the only factor that inadvertently lead to Trump winning .

1. Swings are the vote you're wooing. I'm a swing. I'm arguing it's not our faults that Trump won. You just made my point in a different way. Thanks.

2. I didn't say I'd vote for Republicans because of our discussion. I already explained that.

3. Yes, pointing out that your sources are bad is 100% an argument.

4. Well, I'm saying voting for X didn't lead to the election of Y. Saying it did is blame. There's plenty of blame to go around, and it lands with both parties. Those of us on the sidelines are sick of their bullshit.