Bribe: Tell newcomers in religion that God is awesome and He will help one way or another. The best part that in afterlife it will get even better.

Blackmail: As a preacher you capture people's minds by telling them that no matter what they do, if they wish to enjoy their life, it will most likely will result in afterlife torture in Magical horrorland.

Disappoint them in current life: Tell that life is Satan's playground and this world is doomed to fail without God sooner or later. Rapture is pretty soon and you better don't eat from Satan's plate.

Just lie to doomed sinners: If you lie to someone who is wasting his/her life for a meaningless and sinful life to bring them closer to God's perfect life, then your doing them a favor. 

It took me long to realize how manipulative and scummy religion is. Especially the end goal where you just lick feet of some Sky Dude and praise Him for giving you immortal life as His personal faithfull puppet.

"God" is irrelevant but religion sucks balls and needs to be eliminated.

(October 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "God" is irrelevant but religion sucks balls and needs to be eliminated.

Reminds me of my TTA sig: Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse.
*clicks on user profile*

Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

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(October 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "God" is irrelevant but religion sucks balls and needs to be eliminated.

Lol, Min, are you developing a soft spot for God?

(October 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

MK, God doesn't have the right to abuse and torment people if they refuse his plan of making them His loyal puppets but want to live their own lifes. If such God exists and it's His attitude, then He is a mentally ill retard.

"God" is merely the product that religions sells to gullible fools.  When religion fades away "god" will go with it by default.

One should never waste time dealing with non-root causes of an issue, MK.

(October 14, 2018 at 1:20 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

MK, God doesn't have the right to abuse and torment people if they refuse his plan of making them His loyal puppets and want to live their own lifes. If he does, then He is a mentally ill retard.

God has the greatest right to be loved, he could have made himself not known, but has chosen to establish a link between him and his creation, because he is a treasure that is to be loved and known. 

If they refuse after the truth has become very clear to them, he does have the right to punish them eternally, and not only that, but he is the love that dictates what deserves utmost hate and what deserves love, what deserves praise and what deserves condemnation, he is the ultimate balance of virtues, and judges according to his light, and there is a lot of free-way in this, there is between has to punish or has to reward, a lot of free choice God has, so we ought to plead to God and ask him, and try to ask for his grace.

If he wishes, he will make us taste his justice and leave us to ourselves to perish without little to no help.

If he wishes, he will guide us and help us and make us perceive through insights.

Aside from that, the only way justice and order is to be established so we can have peace, is through oneness of God and people preferring the truth over their opinions and submitting to proofs of the truth and guidance from God.

The suffering that occurs through people rebelling against God, cost people their lives, and oppression and chaos in the earth.

(October 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

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(October 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: "God" is irrelevant but religion sucks balls and needs to be eliminated.

Lol, Min, are you developing a soft spot for God?

Parents, family, and friends exist.

Deities, angels, prophets, heaven and hell, the Easter Bunny, these are all things people claim to exist but only provide evidence for that they, thenselves, would accept, not the rest of us.

(October 14, 2018 at 1:27 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 1:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

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Lol, Min, are you developing a soft spot for God?

Parents, family, and friends exist.

Deities, angels, prophets, heaven and hell, the Easter Bunny, these are all things people claim to exist but only provide evidence for that they, thenselves, would accept, not the rest of us.

Parents, family and friends exist in a manner we can't just deny they exist because we know they do for sure.

God, if we love him and search for her, she will guide us towards the pointer that points to her great self.

If we wish to deny everything linked to him, deny accountability, deny our deeds forming part of us, deny perpetual identity, deny the nature of who we are, deny morality and guidance needing to be from him to have a reality, etc, or choose to not reflect over any of these things, we can forget him and cease to see him.

But the path back to him is easy, witnessing him witnessing you, is vey easy, because you can't be defined in exact form without him, and you are defined.

(October 14, 2018 at 1:32 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 1:27 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Parents, family, and friends exist.

Deities, angels, prophets, heaven and hell, the Easter Bunny, these are all things people claim to exist but only provide evidence for that they, thenselves, would accept, not the rest of us.

Parents, family and friends exist in a manner we can't just deny they exist because we know they do for sure.

Why can't your god communicate with us in a manner to make himself/herself demonstrable in a way that we are just as sure as we know that our Parents, family and friends exist?

Quote:God, if we love him and search for her, she will guide us towards the pointer that points to her great self.

So, if we start with the unsupported presupposition that god exists, then we will find pointer's to his/her existence?

How do we tell the difference between the difference between these pointers actually pointing to an existent god, or confirmation bias?

Quote:If we wish to deny everything linked to him, deny accountability, deny our deeds forming part of us, deny perpetual identity, deny the nature of who we are, deny morality and guidance needing to be from him to have a reality, etc, or choose to not reflect over any of these things, we can forget him and cease to see him.

First you need to demonstrate your god exists, before I agree to any of that other crap.

Quote:But the path back to him is easy, witnessing him witnessing you, is vey easy, because you can't be defined in exact form without him, and you are defined.

I define myself. No need for gods to do the job.

I do not see any evidence that there is a god for me to "witnessing him witnessing me". All I have is YOUR CLAIMS that said god exists. Please demonstrate his existence.