Lying for God

[purplepurpose]

MK, God doesn't have the right to abuse and torment people if they refuse his plan of making them His loyal puppets and want to live their own lifes. If he does, then He is a mentally ill retard.

God has the greatest right to be loved, he could have made himself not known, but has chosen to establish a link between him and his creation, because he is a treasure that is to be loved and known. 

If they refuse after the truth has become very clear to them, he does have the right to punish them eternally, and not only that, but he is the love that dictates what deserves utmost hate and what deserves love, what deserves praise and what deserves condemnation, he is the ultimate balance of virtues, and judges according to his light, and there is a lot of free-way in this, there is between has to punish or has to reward, a lot of free choice God has, so we ought to plead to God and ask him, and try to ask for his grace.
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I'm not getting paid to discuss such rotting shit.

[Joods]

Gratitude goes a long way, if you should appreciate your parents, family and friends, why not the Lord who gave you all that and will give you everything you want, provided you follow his guidance which is all for your own benefit?

Haven't seen anything tangible proving the bolded part, so this is just more nonsense coming from you.

 And his warnings, why shouldn't they been seen of acts of love, trying to prevent his justice and wrath, so that she may forgive us and have mercy on our souls and guide us to her light?

Warning? Acts of love? Wow MK - religion has really fucked you hard. Without lube.

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"God" is irrelevant but religion sucks balls and needs to be eliminated.

Lol, Min, are you developing a soft spot for God?

I fail to see how his statement indicates a soft spot for gawd.

[Mystic]

Simon Moon, you asked some good questions (the first two).

I have to get to details on them. God can communicate only through a veil directly to a person which would make the person the veil or through an Agent.

In the case of an Agent, it makes sense for God to do that, if we at that time are more veiled from ourselves which communication through the veil of who we are will not attain much certainty to be from God.

However, how to tell the Agent is from God? You see what complicates it, is the Unseen realms and beings are not all holy, some of them are going the wrong way.

The Agent for all we know is a misguided or deceiver.

So if not from our own veil (and if we are veiled and corrupted, our veil nd self as the burning bush would not be a very good proof) and we can't discern a trustworthy spirit (Angel) from deceivers (devils) or misguided Jinn (who think they are enlightened but are not)....

Then God as a mercy - it maybe be better to veil us from these realms till we have the ability to discern God's Name from false claims of his name, his holy spirit from false claims of that, etc.......

And it be better he doesn't try us with that world.

Of course if he tries us by those beings and we fail, you easily will become mad and crazy, I know, because it happened to me.


So Messengers will prove through a different means, and prepare us to walk the unseen road.

They reach out to humans, so they don't have to all become acquainted with the unseen realms right away, but rather, can live life and have a connection to that realm by words and language, but also to a degree begin to hone their inner eyes and see the light the book calls to.

The more they try to connect (the purpose of five daily prayers/connections), the more they will hone in it the right direction.

If they reflect over Quran, they will be able to recognize the dangers in the unseen realms and they will prepare by good actions and supplications, so they can make it there in one peace.


God also could prove things beyond doubt, and make the truth as bright as day, but when humans rebel against the light, he veils it, and allows the night to take over so that they find rest and try to find God's star his light in the darkness and so through that light recognize their Lord and make it through the veils.


The Angelic realities are not easy to discern, to see them as truthful is not easy when you aren't familiar with them, and to discern falsehood from truth is anything but easy.


God's proof in all realms remains the same, and in this world, there is a human who is that proof.

[Alan V]

Some people don't understand the difference between reason and rationalizing. So they make things up.

[LastPoet]

Are you Deckard Cain of the east or sumethin? Lots of angels and demons...

[purplepurpose]

Living under tyranny is hell and yet theists praise such dictatorship as the best thing in the world. It only has to be God's dictatorship.

[Gwaithmir]

MK, God doesn't have the right to abuse and torment people if they refuse his plan of making them His loyal puppets and want to live their own lifes. If he does, then He is a mentally ill retard.

God has the greatest right to be loved, he could have made himself not known, but has chosen to establish a link between him and his creation, because he is a treasure that is to be loved and known. 

If they refuse after the truth has become very clear to them, he does have the right to punish them eternally, and not only that, but he is the love that dictates what deserves utmost hate and what deserves love, what deserves praise and what deserves condemnation, he is the ultimate balance of virtues, and judges according to his light, and there is a lot of free-way in this, there is between has to punish or has to reward, a lot of free choice God has, so we ought to plead to God and ask him, and try to ask for his grace.

If he wishes, he will make us taste his justice and leave us to ourselves to perish without little to no help.

If he wishes, he will guide us and help us and make us perceive through insights.

Aside from that, the only way justice and order is to be established so we can have peace, is through oneness of God and people preferring the truth over their opinions and submitting to proofs of the truth and guidance from God.

The suffering that occurs through people rebelling against God, cost people their lives, and oppression and chaos in the earth.

[Astreja]

God has the greatest right to be loved...

No. No one has a right to be loved. That is an unreasonable demand on others' emotions, attempting people to feel specific things despite the fact that emotions are an unconscious internal process that we cannot directly control. The best we can do is pretend that we're feeling a specific emotion. Make-believe love does no one honour.

If they refuse after the truth has become very clear to them, he does have the right to punish them eternally...

MK, if a god existed and was really that mentally unstable, even if you spent the entirety of your life worshipping it, it could still turn on you at a whim and sentence you to eternal torment, just for its own amusement.

If you truly do believe in a loving god, you need to discard the hell myth and not look back. It's a human invention intended to scare people into obedience, and is incompatible with the concept of a genuinely benevolent and compassionate deity.

[Minimalist]

God can communicate only through a veil directly to a person which would make the person the veil or through an Agent.

Why can't "god" do whatever the fuck it wants to do?  Some god you have there.  Sounds more like some loser with one bar of signal on a second-rate cell phone!

[robvalue]

Just another way that I’m more powerful than god.