(October 31, 2018 at 8:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 4:09 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: But creationism doesn't tally with the way living things developed. We know the process that allows for the development of complex life and god is not part of the process at any stage.
What you believe is patently wrong.

We see God's hand when new functional information is interjected into the world.  There wasn't just the Cambrian explosion of life but there were many explosions of life.

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(October 31, 2018 at 10:41 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually Jesus was NEVER "predicted".
The role of a messiah was to restore the kingdom, and re-establish Israel. Jesus got none of that done. None. Therefore it could not possibly be him that was predicted. Jews were still waiting for a messiah LONG after Jesus. Sorry. You fail.

The Book of Daniel got a lot wrong. https://infidels.org/library/modern/chri...aniel.html

Daniel is a great example of : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaticinium_ex_eventu
Daniel was NOT written 600 years before the events.
"Further evidence of the book's date is in the fact that Daniel is excluded from the Hebrew Bible's canon of the prophets, which was closed around 200 BC, and the Wisdom of Sirach, a work dating from around 180 BC, draws on almost every book of the Old Testament except Daniel, leading scholars to suppose that its author ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel

The Book of Daniel is one of the great books of the Bible.  Yes, the Messiah is predicted in Daniel.

https://carm.org/does-daniel-9-24-27-predict-jesus

The messiah may have been predicted in Daniel .... but Jesus did not get the job done, as was predicted, and no JEW accepts that he did.

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Quote:We see God's hand when new functional information is interjected into the world.  There wasn't just the Cambrian explosion of life but there were many explosions of life.

.... is factually false. Evolutionary genetics can tell what DNA EVOLVES from other DNA. There is no "injection", and you have no evidence of that LIE. 
You are like Trump. You are desperate, and it shows.

(October 31, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 8:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: We see God's hand when new functional information is interjected into the world.  There wasn't just the Cambrian explosion of life but there were many explosions of life.

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The Book of Daniel is one of the great books of the Bible.  Yes, the Messiah is predicted in Daniel.

https://carm.org/does-daniel-9-24-27-predict-jesus

The messiah may have been predicted in Daniel .... but Jesus did not get the job done, as was predicted, and no JEW accepts that he did.

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Quote:We see God's hand when new functional information is interjected into the world.  There wasn't just the Cambrian explosion of life but there were many explosions of life.

.... is factually false. Evolutionary genetics can tell what DNA EVOLVES from other DNA. There is no "injection", and you have no evidence of that LIE. 
You are like Trump. You are desperate, and it shows.

Not just the Cambrian explosion of life but many explosions of life have happened.  This is new information which I believe is injected by God.

Jesus fulfilled over 40 OT prophecies (https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-...rophecies/).

(October 31, 2018 at 10:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: The messiah may have been predicted in Daniel .... but Jesus did not get the job done, as was predicted, and no JEW accepts that he did.

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.... is factually false. Evolutionary genetics can tell what DNA EVOLVES from other DNA. There is no "injection", and you have no evidence of that LIE. 
You are like Trump. You are desperate, and it shows.

Not just the Cambrian explosion of life but many explosions of life have happened.  This is new information which I believe is injected by God.

Jesus fulfilled over 40 OT prophecies (https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-...rophecies/).

No.

It's claimed those prophecies were fulfilled.

The Jews, whose prophecies they were, said he didn't.

At work.

Okay.

1) What, specifically, do you mean by 'Injected'.
2) Can you point to a particular, contemporary example of said 'Injected information' ?

It has also been pointed out that you often equivocate the word 'Information' in regards to this topic.

Cheers.

(October 31, 2018 at 10:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: The messiah may have been predicted in Daniel .... but Jesus did not get the job done, as was predicted, and no JEW accepts that he did.

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.... is factually false. Evolutionary genetics can tell what DNA EVOLVES from other DNA. There is no "injection", and you have no evidence of that LIE. 
You are like Trump. You are desperate, and it shows.

Not just the Cambrian explosion of life but many explosions of life have happened.  This is new information which I believe is injected by God.

Jesus fulfilled over 40 OT prophecies (https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-...rophecies/).

What you believe (someone with the bizarre notion that DNA proves a god ... who just happens to be your god ... LOL) is utterly irrelevant. You know nothing about genetics and evolutionary biology. You are incompetent to speak on the matter. DNA evolves. YOU have not one example of "new information injected". 

Your Jesus may be said to fulfull some of your omens, but the MAIN job of a messiah was not accomplished.  
Even the disciples asked him "Wilt thou Lord, at this time restore the kingdom to Israel". 

Yeah. You got nothing. Every minute here is wasted time for you.

Regarding the Tyre prophesy:

http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.as...ticle=1790

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(October 31, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Okay.

1) What, specifically, do you mean by 'Injected'.
2) Can you point to a particular, contemporary example of said 'Injected information' ?

It has also been pointed out that you often equivocate the word 'Information' in regards to this topic.

Cheers.

The Cambrian explosion is one example of new information coming out of nowhere.  There was an explosion of life, not a slow gradual evolutionary process.  There were other explosions as well.

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(October 31, 2018 at 10:27 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 10:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Not just the Cambrian explosion of life but many explosions of life have happened.  This is new information which I believe is injected by God.

Jesus fulfilled over 40 OT prophecies (https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-...rophecies/).

What you believe (someone with the bizarre notion that DNA proves a god ... who just happens to be your god ... LOL) is utterly irrelevant. You know nothing about genetics and evolutionary biology. You are incompetent to speak on the matter. DNA evolves. YOU have not one example of "new information injected". 

Your Jesus may be said to fulfull some of your omens, but the MAIN job of a messiah was not accomplished.  
Even the disciples asked him "Wilt thou Lord, at this time restore the kingdom to Israel". 

Yeah. You got nothing. Every minute here is wasted time for you.

The Lord will return.  The New Jerusalem is in heaven.

At work.

No, that's a period of time.

I asked if you could explian your term 'Injected'

I then asked if you could give a current, specific example of said 'Injection'.

Much like I could poing to the current biology of African Cheetas as an example of an existing species that shows distinctive evidence of having experianced a 'Biological bottleneck'.

Cheers.

Just a quick note on the Cambrian Explosion - this is a period of time that lasted 20-25 million years.

If you were thinking it was a much shorter period of time, then it's most likely that you haven't even done a basic google search on the topic.
I consider anything changing over the course of millions of years to be a slow process, but on the scale of evolution as a whole, it happened rather quickly.
There was no more newer information during the Cambrian explosion than there is every day that a new child is born.

It's just change over time.

If my nose is slightly longer than either of my parents, then was there new information added to my DNA ?
No, of course not. It's simply a change. I'm different from them, but all of my differences came from them.

(October 31, 2018 at 11:27 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Just a quick note on the Cambrian Explosion - this is a period of time that lasted 20-25 million years.

If you were thinking it was a much shorter period of time, then it's most likely that you haven't even done a basic google search on the topic.
I consider anything changing over the course of millions of years to be a slow process, but on the scale of evolution as a whole, it happened rather quickly.
There was no more newer information during the Cambrian explosion than there is every day that a new child is born.

It's just change over time.

If my nose is slightly longer than either of my parents, then was there new information added to my DNA ?
No, of course not. It's simply a change. I'm different from them, but all of my differences came from them.

What is seen is an explosion of new life over that time period.

(November 1, 2018 at 1:07 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 11:27 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Just a quick note on the Cambrian Explosion - this is a period of time that lasted 20-25 million years.

If you were thinking it was a much shorter period of time, then it's most likely that you haven't even done a basic google search on the topic.
I consider anything changing over the course of millions of years to be a slow process, but on the scale of evolution as a whole, it happened rather quickly.
There was no more newer information during the Cambrian explosion than there is every day that a new child is born.

It's just change over time.

If my nose is slightly longer than either of my parents, then was there new information added to my DNA ?
No, of course not. It's simply a change. I'm different from them, but all of my differences came from them.

What is seen is an explosion of new life over that time period.

It's not new life. Every creature born still had parents and were still members of the same species.

Look how quickly humans have changed over a couple hundred thousand years. Imagine the changes after a million years or 20 million years.

It's all change. New life wasn't added. It wasn't created.