Quote:Everena: No one knew quantum vibrations were occuring in the brain until late 2013/early 2014.

Ummm .... yes they did, sweetie.



"Electrons aren’t the only particles to consist of localized vibrations of a field; all particles do. There is a photon field, an up quark field, a gluon field, a muon field; indeed there is a field for every known particle. And, for all of them, the thing that we visualize as a particle is just a localized vibration of that field. Even the recently discovered Higgs boson is like this. The Higgs field interacts with particles and gives them their mass, but it is hard to observe this field directly. Instead, we supply energy to the field in particle collisions and cause it to vibrate. When we say “we’ve discovered the Higgs boson,” you should think “we’ve caused the Higgs field to vibrate and observed the vibrations.” 

"A physical electron isn’t the field, but rather a localized vibration in the field. In fact, every electron in the universe is a similar localized vibration of that single field."

- Donald Lincoln, PhD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lincoln
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/th...-theories/

This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well.

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Wrong! Nature is an arms race between predators and prey. This is the result of millennia of evolution.

First of all that does not answer the question of why we have food on this planet or why it would be delicious and provide nutrients to 8.7 million different species of life. No way that was just by sheer luck.
Also, it is not just predator and prey. Herbivores only eat plants. Omnivores like us can easily survive without meat and are only eating it by choice. Also food cannot be a result of a millennia of evolution. Food had to be here the entire time or everthing would be dead. And you did not respond to why we would also have medicinal plants and herbs that we derive our sythetic medicines from.

Quote:First of all that does not answer the question of why we have food on this planet or why it would be delicious and provide nutrients to 8.7 million different species of life. No way that was just by sheer luck.
Also, it is not just predator and prey. Herbivores only eat plants. Omnivores like us can easily survive without meat and are only eating it by choice. Also food cannot be a result of a millennia of evolution. Food had to be here the entire time or everthing would be dead. And you did not respond to why we would also have medicinal plants and herbs that we derive our sythetic medicines from.

Complete bullshit. 
IF, (and I mean IF) you had ever actually taken a science course, you might get (no guarantee as you're SO f'ing stupid) ... you would understand that your idiotic question is totally backwards. Species arose and evolved in environments where there were sufficient resources to sustain them, (and as you have been told BEFORE in this thread) species migration to areas where there WAS sufficient resources is a huge field all by itself in Evolutionary Biology, and there is NO BIOLOGIST who would not "wince" with the stupidity of your statement. Your stupid is BEYOND comprehension.

Quote:No way that was just by sheer luck.

You are totally ignorant of how evolution works. It wasn't "sheer luck". You are SO ignorant, you don't even know HOW IGNORANT that sentence is.
It's like asking "why are the fish in the ocean".
OMf'nG

Even you must know that, by refusing to change your mind, and refusing to change the subject, you also come across as a complete fanatic as well.

Can you truly not realize being seen as a fanatic on top of being seen as ignorant, dishonest, overbearing, overreaching yet self-pitying, can’t possibly help You in any normal sociable way?

Are you trying to become such an example of cognitive and psychiatric calamity that you will be supported out research grant issued to study you?

Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. [/size][/size][

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_KEVaCyaA

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_gallup_113367

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Complexity arises from simplicity all the time. The Mandelbrot set is an example (Dewey 1996).

The Mandlebrot set is an example of a conscious intelligent being doing math and getting shapes out of it. You made no point here unless your point was that there is a God.

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Real-life examples include the following: A pan of water with heat applied uniformly to its bottom will develop convection currents that are more complex than the still water; complex hurricanes arise from similar principles; complex planetary ring systems arise from simple laws of gravitation; complex ant nests arise from simple behaviors; and complex organisms arise from simpler seeds and embryos.

Conscious life and the enormous amount of amazing abilities of the human body are not comparable to water or to a weather pattern that we know the exact cause of.
And the complex planetary ring systems is not a good examaple either because gravitation is not simple. No human can replicate it or cause it to exist. And ants nests, really? Ants nests are created by conscious life with brains. And lastly how these "complex organisms" came to be in the first place (and yes we all know that they can then create new complex organisms) but because you have no idea what the first cause of life even was or how it came to be, this argument means nothing either.

(November 25, 2018 at 3:01 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Complexity should be expected from evolution. In computer simulations, complex organisms were more robust than simple ones (Lenski et al. 1999), and natural selection forced complexity to increase (Adami et al. 2000). Theoretically, complexity is expected because complexity-generating processes dissipate the entropy from solar energy influxes, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics (Wicken 1979). Ilya Prigogine won the Nobel Prize "for his contributions to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, particularly the theory of dissipative structures" (Nobel Foundation 1977). According to Prigogine, "it is shown that non-equilibrium may become a source of order and that irreversible processes may lead to a new type of dynamic states of matter called 'dissipative structures' " (Prigogine 1977, 22).

It's nice that you can copy and paste some guesses from science, but you have proven nothing and the fact remains that it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all, and it is mathematically impossible for even one protein to have formed by chance as you can see in the youtube video I linked you

Quote:The Mandlebrot set is an example of a conscious intelligent being doing math and getting shapes out of it.

The Mandelbot set is a mathematical description of what arises in nature with no intelligent being involved at all.
Highly improbable single events happen all the time. Those untrained in Probability Theory make this simple mistake all the time.

Everdumb is unable to refute even ONE of the chemical processes presented here.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:45 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:First of all that does not answer the question of why we have food on this planet or why it would be delicious and provide nutrients to 8.7 million different species of life. No way that was just by sheer luck.
Also, it is not just predator and prey. Herbivores only eat plants. Omnivores like us can easily survive without meat and are only eating it by choice. Also food cannot be a result of a millennia of evolution. Food had to be here the entire time or everthing would be dead. And you did not respond to why we would also have medicinal plants and herbs that we derive our sythetic medicines from.

Complete bullshit. 
IF, (and I mean IF) you had ever actually taken a science course, you might get (no guarantee as you're SO f'ing stupid) ... you would understand that your idiotic question is totally backwards. Species arose and evolved in environments where there were sufficient resources to sustain them, (and as you have been told BEFORE in this thread) species migration to areas where there WAS sufficient resources is a huge field all by itself in Evolutionary Biology, and there is NO BIOLOGIST who would not "wince" with the stupidity of your statement. Your stupid is BEYOND comprehension.
Everena: The question is why would food exist on our planet in the first place you blathering idiot.

Quote:No way that was just by sheer luck.

You are totally ignorant of how evolution works. It wasn't "sheer luck". You are SO ignorant, you don't even know HOW IGNORANT that sentence is.

At work.


Uhm, technically Everena? We don't have 'Food'. We just have chemistry.

Some chemicals are 'Good' for us and we need them.
Others are neutral and don't do anything for us.
Still others will definitely fek our sh!t up.
Heck.....getting our ballance of chemicals wrong, lesser or more, can fek our sh!t up.

Waaaaay too much dihydrogenmonoxide will totally ruin your day.

Cheers.

(November 25, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:The Mandlebrot set is an example of a conscious intelligent being doing math and getting shapes out of it.

The Mandelbot set is a mathematical description of what arises in nature with no intelligent being involved at all.

The Mandelbrot set is the set of complex numbers [font=sans-serif] for which the function [color=#222222][font=sans-serif] does not diverge when from [color=#222222][font=sans-serif], i.e., for which the sequence 
, etc., remains bounded in absolute value.Its definition and name are due to [color=#0b0080]Adrien Douady, in tribute to the mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot.[1] The set is connected to a Julia set, and related Julia sets produce similarly complex fractal shapes.

Mandelbrot set images may be created by sampling the complex numbers and testing, for each sample point [color=#222222][font=sans-serif], whether the sequence [color=#222222][font=sans-serif] goes to infinity (in practice -- whether it leaves some predetermined bounded neighborhood of 0 after a predetermined number of iterations). Treating the real and imaginary parts of [color=#222222][font=sans-serif] as image coordinates on the , pixels may then be coloured according to how soon the sequence ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set

You do understand that it took an intelligent conscious human being to figure out the math for this, right Bucky?

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(November 25, 2018 at 11:24 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: No one knew quantum vibrations were occuring in the brain until late 2013/early 2014.

Ummm .... yes they did, sweetie.



"Electrons aren’t the only particles to consist of localized vibrations of a field; all particles do. There is a photon field, an up quark field, a gluon field, a muon field; indeed there is a field for every known particle. And, for all of them, the thing that we visualize as a particle is just a localized vibration of that field. Even the recently discovered Higgs boson is like this. The Higgs field interacts with particles and gives them their mass, but it is hard to observe this field directly. Instead, we supply energy to the field in particle collisions and cause it to vibrate. When we say “we’ve discovered the Higgs boson,” you should think “we’ve caused the Higgs field to vibrate and observed the vibrations.” 

"A physical electron isn’t the field, but rather a localized vibration in the field. In fact, every electron in the universe is a similar localized vibration of that single field."

- Donald Lincoln, PhD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lincoln
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/th...-theories/

Ummmm, no they didn't moron and you are still not paying attention to what we are actually discussing.

Quote:The question is why would food exist on our planet in the first place you blathering idiot.

LMFAO ... blathering idiot.

Well, ya see sweetie, plants arose millions of years before they were "food".
You really are 12 aren't you ?
http://science.psu.edu/news-and-events/2...8-2001.htm

"The largest genetic study ever performed to learn when land plants and fungi first appeared on the Earth has revealed a plausible biological cause for two major climate events: the Snowball Earth eras, when ice periodically covered the globe, and the era called the Cambrian Explosion, which produced the first fossils of almost all major categories of animals living today.

According to the authors of the study, which will be published in the 10 August 2001 issue of the journal Science, plants paved the way for the evolution of land animals by simultaneously increasing the percentage of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere and decreasing the percentage of carbon dioxide, a powerful greenhouse gas.

"Our research shows that land plants and fungi evolved much earlier than previously thought — before the Snowball Earth and Cambrian Explosion events — suggesting their presence could have had a profound effect on the climate and the evolution of life on Earth," says Blair Hedges, an evolutionary biologist and leader of the Penn State research team that performed the study.

The researchers found that land plants had evolved on Earth by about 700 million years ago and land fungi by about 1,300 million years ago — much earlier than previous estimates of around 480 million years ago, which were based on the earliest fossils of those organisms. Prior to this study, it was believed that Earth's landscape at that time was covered with barren rocks harboring nothing more than some bacteria and possibly some algae. No undisputed fossils of the earliest land plants and fungi have been found in rocks formed during the Precambrian period, says Hedges, possibly because their primitive bodies were too soft to turn into fossils."