"By convention there are sweet and bitter, hot and cold, by convention there is color; but in truth there are atoms and the void." -- Democritus

(November 28, 2018 at 8:17 am)Amarok Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:46 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: The thread just keeps on giving. Fungii are plants indeed. I laughed my ass off.

I hope this thread never stops. Everena gets dumber by the post with hilarious results.

Actually her supposed argument is that fungi are close enough that she permits herself the right to place them in the same category despite the fervent insistence by actual scientists that they not be classified as such and further supports this by means of "their lack of conscientiousness"

If we would go by cognitive abilites, Everena wouldnt qualify for either one, fungus or plant.

No and our souls always have been and always will be and there is no problem with that either.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:45 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: Just typing shit (sometimes in bold) and then walking off doesn't help.. Show me some evidence for the existence of a soul for example.

Here is evidence from the famous scientist and doctor Robert Lanza    

http://www.robertlanza.com/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...e-says-yes


Life and consciousness are central to this new view of being, reality and the cosmos. Although the current scientific paradigm is based on the belief that the world has an objective observer-independent existence, real experiments suggest just the opposite. We think life is just the activity of atoms and particles, which spin around for a while and then dissipate into nothingness. But if we add life to the equation, we can explain some of the major puzzles of modern science, including the uncertainty principle, entanglement, and the fine-tuning of the laws that shape the universe.

Consider the famous two-slit experiment. When you watch a particle go through the holes, it behaves like a bullet, passing through one slit or the other. But if no one observes the particle, it exhibits the behavior of a wave and can pass through both slits at the same time. This and other experiments tell us that unobserved particles exist only as ‘waves of probability' as the great Nobel laureate Max Born demonstrated in 1926. They're statistical predictions – nothing but a likely outcome. Until observed, they have no real existence; only when the mind sets the scaffolding in place, can they be thought of as having duration or a position in space. Experiments make it increasingly clear that even mere knowledge in the experimenter's mind is sufficient to convert possibility to reality.

Many scientists dismiss the implications of these experiments, because until recently, this observer-dependent behavior was thought to be confined to the subatomic world. However, this is being challenged by researchers around the world. In fact, just this year a team of physicists (Gerlich et al, Nature Communications 2:263, 2011) showed that quantum weirdness also occurs in the human-scale world. They studied huge compounds composed of up to 430 atoms, and confirmed that this strange quantum behavior extends into the larger world we live in.

Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.

"The hope of another life" wrote Will Durant "gives us courage to meet our own death, and to bear with the death of our loved ones; we are twice armed if we fight with faith."



Here's an argument for proving existence of the soul with quantum mechanics by Hans Halvorson at Princeton

https://www.princeton.edu/~hhalvors/pape...review.pdf

(November 26, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Food exists by the same process we exist? What process is it that created food and all conscious life on this planet?

(November 28, 2018 at 5:45 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: You know the answer to this already, stop deflecting away from providing me with any evidence for an eternal creator.

Everena: Yes, I know that processes that begin after a planet already exists, do not create anything and that God created this planet and and all food and our fleshly bodies. But I was asking him for a response.

(November 26, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Everena Wrote: Sorry, there is an intelligent creator. DNA+food+consciousness= God

(November 28, 2018 at 5:45 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: DNA+food+consciousness+Everena= God

Ahh..... that's so sweet.

FFS.

931 pages of absolute drivel!

(November 28, 2018 at 2:28 am)Everena Wrote: crea·ture
/ˈkrēCHər/Submit
noun: creature; plural noun: creatures

1. an animal, as distinct from a human being.
2. an animal or a person.
3. a fictional or imaginary being, typically a frightening one.

Ah, that's where you went wrong.

I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to need to state that "Plants aren't living animals." Clearly I was wrong.

I interpreted it to mean "Plants aren't living organisms." I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to say that either, but since you decided to use supermarket shelf location as a basis for taxonomy it's hardly the dumbest notion you've put forward this week.

I will accept your apology for unclear communication and failing to resolve the misunderstanding for what is it? Over a hundred posts now?

Quote:

Quote:Looks like you pretty clearly said "Fungi are plants."

No, Kidding I said it. It's still what I think too, regardless of how biology classifies them.

Then you are still wrong.

Quote:They are similiar enough to be the same classification.

No, they really aren't. Aside from lacking locomotion, fungi and plants share very few characteristics. They're more closely related to animals than plants.

Quote:I win every single argument with you.

Keep telling yourself that.

Quote:Just face it- there is a God. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Then explain all the suffering that humans don't cause. Hint: volcanoes, predators, parasites...

Quote:Here is evidence from the famous scientist and doctor Robert Lanza 

Trotting out another celebrity  a doctor discussing quantum mechanics and cosmology.......

Quote:Hans Halvorson

A philosopher doing  quantum mechanics and cosmology......

I see she's the here's a famous person therefore .....

(November 28, 2018 at 3:09 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 2:39 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Self-organized criticality: emergent complex behavior in physical and biological systems

Try to read beyond the first word in the title this time.

Nope. Explain, in your own words, from your own understanding of it, how the complexity of DNA could ever possibly come about without an intelligent driving force.

Sorry, but  don't feel like chewing your food for you today.

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(November 28, 2018 at 3:12 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: God lied to man first.

And did you miss the bit where this was all going on for billions of years before humans evolved?

No He did not.

What did God tell man would happen if he ate from the magical knowledgeberry bush? What did the serpent say would happen? And what actually happened?

God lied like a cheap rug.

(November 28, 2018 at 2:28 am)Everena Wrote: I will accept your apology for lying about me and pretending that plants are creatures.

No one was lying, except you, Snookums.
Please note # 1, dumbshit.

creature
noun
crea·ture| \ˈkrē-chər      \

Definition of creature      


1 : something either animate or inanimate: such as
a : a lower animal especially : a farm animal
b : a human being
c : a being of anomalous or uncertain aspect or nature creatures of fantasy

2 : one that is the servile dependent or tool of another : instrument

(November 28, 2018 at 1:07 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 3:09 am)Everena Wrote: Nope. Explain, in your own words, from your own understanding of it, how the complexity of DNA could ever possibly come about without an intelligent driving force.

Sorry, but  don't feel like chewing your food for you today.

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(November 28, 2018 at 3:12 am)CDF47 Wrote: No He did not.

What did God tell man would happen if he ate from the magical knowledgeberry bush? What did the serpent say would happen? And what actually happened?

God lied like a cheap rug.

Which is ironic

(November 28, 2018 at 3:24 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 2:39 am)Paleophyte Wrote: And perhaps you should learn why organisms are classified the way they are rather than expecting the entire field of biology to conform to your ignorant bleating.

(November 28, 2018 at 2:48 am)Amarok Wrote: Her obsession with categorizing life by consciousness  is fucking hilarious . Sorry it's not defined that way.

They should be sorry they didn't categorize them that way. It makes them look like a bunch of incompetent bumbling morons who don't know what they're doing.

Does the irony burn?