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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:43 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 4:20 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Brain is simply a transceiver. Consciousness is external.
No it is not. If that were possible for you to be separate from your brain, then it would be possible to survive decapitation.
If brain is a transceiver and consciousness is located somewhere else then consciousness can survive decapitation and it doesn't matter what happens with body.
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:45 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:43 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No it is not. If that were possible for you to be separate from your brain, then it would be possible to survive decapitation.
If brain is a transceiver and consciousness is located somewhere else then consciousness can survive decapitation and it doesn't matter what happens with body.
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Can you describe your experience?
Not easily no. I haven't experienced anything like it when not taking drugs. Words wouldn't do it justice, in the same way you couldn't describe seeing red to a blind person. I've never personally experienced an orgasm and no one can easily describe what that feels like to me. The best anyone's described to me how an orgasm is like, is when you need a really big shit and the relief you get when you can finally stop holding it in.
I have to admit, it doesn't really sell the idea to me.
There are plenty of other forms of qualia that I can describe though that I have only ever managed on cannabis. Music has so much more clarity for me, it's the equivalent of listening to music in stereo when you've only ever heard it in mono, but more so and there right inside my head where I almost feel like I could mentally reach out and touch the notes and experience their shape. Did you see new colors or hear new sounds?
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Not easily no. I haven't experienced anything like it when not taking drugs. Words wouldn't do it justice, in the same way you couldn't describe seeing red to a blind person. I've never personally experienced an orgasm and no one can easily describe what that feels like to me. The best anyone's described to me how an orgasm is like, is when you need a really big shit and the relief you get when you can finally stop holding it in.
I have to admit, it doesn't really sell the idea to me.
There are plenty of other forms of qualia that I can describe though that I have only ever managed on cannabis. Music has so much more clarity for me, it's the equivalent of listening to music in stereo when you've only ever heard it in mono, but more so and there right inside my head where I almost feel like I could mentally reach out and touch the notes and experience their shape. Did you see new colors or hear new sounds? Some people claim to.
But then, how do we know they're not p-zombies?
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:48 pm
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(December 14, 2018 at 12:43 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No it is not. If that were possible for you to be separate from your brain, then it would be possible to survive decapitation.
If brain is a transceiver and consciousness is located somewhere else then consciousness can survive decapitation and it doesn't matter what happens with body.
Why aren't you conscious when you have anesthetic and are put under for an operation?
(December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:41 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Not easily no. I haven't experienced anything like it when not taking drugs. Words wouldn't do it justice, in the same way you couldn't describe seeing red to a blind person. I've never personally experienced an orgasm and no one can easily describe what that feels like to me. The best anyone's described to me how an orgasm is like, is when you need a really big shit and the relief you get when you can finally stop holding it in.
I have to admit, it doesn't really sell the idea to me.
There are plenty of other forms of qualia that I can describe though that I have only ever managed on cannabis. Music has so much more clarity for me, it's the equivalent of listening to music in stereo when you've only ever heard it in mono, but more so and there right inside my head where I almost feel like I could mentally reach out and touch the notes and experience their shape. Did you see new colors or hear new sounds?
As I said, my subjective experience of the sounds I was hearing was vastly different. Unlike anything I experienced when not on drugs.
I am sure that if I ever took LSD though then I would see new colours, such as these guys are reporting
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/3g...w_colours/
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:52 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Did you see new colors or hear new sounds? Some people claim to. Can you provide sources?
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:53 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Some people claim to. Can you provide sources?
You could find out for yourself if you wanted to.
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 12:54 pm
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(December 14, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 12:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Some people claim to. Can you provide sources?
If you want anecdotes, sure. Literally a 10 second google search will unearth a bunch.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/3g...w_colours/
http://www.lsdexperience.com/part-2/colors/
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showfla...r/15507458
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 1:02 pm
(December 14, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (December 14, 2018 at 4:20 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Brain is simply a transceiver. Consciousness is external.
No it is not. If that were possible for you to be separate from your brain, then it would be possible to survive decapitation. I hate to burst your bubble, but you are your brain in motion, nothing more. No, it isn't sexy to think of oneself as being finite, but humans are finite. Life after I die will feel the exact same way as it did for me 4 billion years ago when I didn't exist.
Consciousness is an emergent property in evolution, not a super natural thing.
I don't think any of what you said follows. I appreciate your passion, but a little more focus and actual support of your arguments instead of bare assertion would be appreciated.
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RE: Hemispherectomy?
December 14, 2018 at 1:05 pm
Incidentally, how would anyone here describe an orgasm to someone who hasn't ever experienced one before?
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