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How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 10:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: "Now we are all sons of bitches"

~Kenneth Bainbridge, director of the first nuclear bomb test.

^^^^^ This is what makes me angry at the far right Rambo nuts. It is one thing to say to oneself, "It's them or me". That is bad enough, but like I said, it isn't something to relish in, and that quote reveals the reality of the real compassion that it is something you really don't want to do. 

It is the same as that Japanese pilot I quoted in another thread who was in on the Pearl Harbor raid. He realized at that moment, he was killing his fellow human beings. Again, it isn't that you can have a perfect world where nobody fights, but it is heartening to see that sometimes, despite the differences in friends and foe's governments, there is an evolutionary humanity, that shows up in places we don't always expect.
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#12
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
40 out of 43.   But I noticed at least 4 errors or inaccuracies amongst the clearly intended right choices. I knew these were the intended answers from the context of other available choices. These errors were clearly not intended to make the right answer more obvious or more familiar to the typical reader. They were obviously confusions on the part of the test designer.
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#13
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
Damned quiz is loading extremely slow.
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#14
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 10:18 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 10:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: "Now we are all sons of bitches"

~Kenneth Bainbridge, director of the first nuclear bomb test.

^^^^^ This is what makes me angry at the far right Rambo nuts. It is one thing to say to oneself, "It's them or me". That is bad enough, but like I said, it isn't something to relish in, and that quote reveals the reality of the real compassion that it is something you really don't want to do. 

It is the same as that Japanese pilot I quoted in another thread who was in on the Pearl Harbor raid. He realized at that moment, he was killing his fellow human beings. Again, it isn't that you can have a perfect world where nobody fights, but it is heartening to see that sometimes, despite the differences in friends and foe's governments, there is an evolutionary humanity, that shows up in places we don't always expect.

It is good to remember that the people over there are Human too. It's a problem the American government has regarding Yemen and Palestinians right now.
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 8:09 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 7:55 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um this is weird, I have had problems posting images too. 

But as far as WW2 History, you are talking about thousands of historical events, multiple world leaders, military leaders and countless key battles. I for example didn't really know that Pearl Harbor only got us involved in the Pacific, and we didn't really get involved in Europe until D-Day in 44. It is a boatload of details over basically a 12 year period from the time Hitler took power to the fall of Berlin in 45. 
You're fast, but I fixed the link.  Razz
Quote:But the one detail that shocked me is that the guys monitoring the radar that day mistook the zeros for allied bombers.

Why is that shocking? Two privates training on the SCR-270B set spot a "huge" blip. Biggest they'd ever seen. They report it to Air Information Center, which is closed. The only officer there is a 2nd Lt. fighter pilot doing a "familiarization" visit, not in the chain of command. The AIC closed at 7 AM, but he had been told to be there from 4 am to 8 am, and he was a good boy. The telephone operator passed the buck to Kermit Tyler when Lockard called from the Point. Tyler knew a flight of B-17s was coming in from the US and assumed that's what the men on Opana Point were seeing. This was trivial enough that the Congressional Hearings didn't subpoena him. He ended the war as a major.

(December 14, 2018 at 8:03 am)Chad32 Wrote: If the first question had listed one answer as Hawaii, and the others as different places, I would have gotten it right. It assumes everyone knows it's in Hawaii.

I don't know the date or anything. I know it's kind of weird we got involved in WW2 because Japan attacked us, but almost everything else they teach in history class involved us going to Europe. Aside from dropping two nukes, and the debate over whether or not that was the right thing to do instead of putting boots on the ground.
Most of the USN and almost all of the Marines fought in the Pacific. But the American-British Conversations earlier in 1941 had established the principle of "Germany First". FDR and Churchill confirmed this at the Atlantic Conference later that year and it was made public at the Casablanca Conference.

As for the nukes, the most humane thing we could have done was to end the war quickly. It worked. (Vastly more complicated than this but boring to most people.)



Europe first was the official position necessary to reduce the chance of a separate soviet-german peace, and avoid demoralizing the British.  It was also in accord with FDR’s view of American geostrategic priorities even though Roosevelt was a Navy man.  It also accorded with army chief of staff Marshall and chief of Army Air Corp Arnold’s views of where their branch of armed services would most likely emphasize its central importance and earn the name to secure its share of postwar American defence budget.

But the Navy and its commander in Chief King was all for a pacific first strategy for very obvious reasons. Elements of state department also saw pacific as affording much more potential for long term expansion of American influence than Europe.

I believe in the end, Admiral King got his way.  In the name of fighting japan, The Navy secured america’s Commitment to build and deploy a far larger Navy than required to fight japan in order to secure the navy’s share of america’s war time Resources, for the purpose of setting up the fait accompli of post war naval supremacy which would then require continued heavy naval funding to sustain. I believe in fact more than half of american war production and economic output during the war were committed to agenda justified by the war in the pacific, and American forces in the pacific never had to significantly slackened its pace of offensive below what over 50% of america’s War fighting potential can support out of deference to Europe first.

So in practice Europe first was more in spirit than in substance. Europe first didn’t suit the navy’s agenda and during the shooting war with Germany and japan, the Navy won the resource war with the army.
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 10:19 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: 40 out of 43.   But I noticed at least 4 errors or inaccuracies amongst the clearly intended right choices. I knew these were the intended answers from the context of other available choices.   These errors were clearly not intended to make the right answer more obvious or more familiar to the typical reader.  They were obviously confusions on the part of the test designer.

Yes, and the answer to one of the later questions was given in association with an earlier question, otherwise it might have been harder than it was.

I'm not all embarrassed by my score, though many of my answers were, at best, educated guesses.

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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 10:53 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: So in practice Europe first was more in spirit than in substance.   Europe first didn’t suit the navy’s agenda and during the shooting war with Germany and japan, the Navy won the resource war with the army.

Nope. FDR and WSC were in tune on the Germany First policy. The fiscal issues you cite were caused by the necessity to have a boat under our sailors in the Pacific.
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#18
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
23/43

IIRC, Yamamoto is not actually known to have made the "sleeping giant" quote attributed to him, rather it was a fiction created by the writers of the film "Tora! Tora! Tora!".
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Cathooloo Wrote: 23/43

IIRC, Yamamoto is not actually known to have made the "sleeping giant" quote attributed to him, rather it was a fiction created by the writers of the film "Tora! Tora! Tora!".

Yep. Nothing prior to the making of that movie includes that very juicy quote. Producer put it in to give the US audience a tiny bit of an upbeat ending.
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 10:33 am)Chad32 Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 10:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: ^^^^^ This is what makes me angry at the far right Rambo nuts. It is one thing to say to oneself, "It's them or me". That is bad enough, but like I said, it isn't something to relish in, and that quote reveals the reality of the real compassion that it is something you really don't want to do. 

It is the same as that Japanese pilot I quoted in another thread who was in on the Pearl Harbor raid. He realized at that moment, he was killing his fellow human beings. Again, it isn't that you can have a perfect world where nobody fights, but it is heartening to see that sometimes, despite the differences in friends and foe's governments, there is an evolutionary humanity, that shows up in places we don't always expect.

It is good to remember that the people over there are Human too. It's a problem the American government has regarding Yemen and Palestinians right now.

I am not an either or person. Right now as far as what the Prince did with the reporter, fuck him. But in saying that Atlass33, our resident Muslim, is simply stuck under a horrible government, and I don't want to treat him in the same way like I hate the Prince. 

Same with Palestine and Israel. I hate Bibi, I think Israel can do far better than that Jewish Dick Cheney. But, that does not mean Palestine's backers like Hamas are a bastion of pluralism. And trust me I am horrified that there is an orange jackass bully who called for Muslim bans, and imprisoned kids at the border. 

In my 17 years of almost daily online activity on multiple social websites, I have had conversations with people all over the world. I have talked to Jews who hate Bibi. I have talked to Saudis and Iranians who hate their governments. I have talked to former Muslims, former Jews, former Hindus, former Buddhists, not just former Christians. 

The more I talk to my fellow humans, the more I hate knowing how capable we are of non violence and how capable we are of compassion, but fall short of diplomacy and far to much resort to war.  

If human morality were a patent owned by one label, started and invented by one label, and that was an absolute cure for all of humanity, then we would not consistently find that all nations have hospitals and prisons.
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