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How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 10:53 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: So in practice Europe first was more in spirit than in substance.   Europe first didn’t suit the navy’s agenda and during the shooting war with Germany and japan, the Navy won the resource war with the army.

Nope. FDR and WSC were in tune on the Germany First policy. The fiscal issues you cite were caused by the necessity to have a boat under our sailors in the Pacific.

Of course WSC would sincerely desire a Europe first policy. In FDR’s guts he also undoubtedly believed Germany to be a far more severe threat. He is on the record disparaging how long japan can hold out once Germany collapses. But his naval subordinated outmaneuvered him. The navy took up a far larger share of resources than required to hold the fort in the pacific in order to defeat Germany first, and then turning on japan. In fact the navy used war with japan as a pretext to swallow a portion of American war making potential sufficient to ensure absolute postwar naval supremacy in order to establish the centrality of the navy as america’s Premier instrument of postwar foreign policy.

If it was really Germany first, the US navy would not have arrived at japan’s Door steps at about the same time the red army arrived at the chancellery bunker in Berlin.
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#22
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
It really was "Germany First".
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#23
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 3:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It really was "Germany First".

Germany first. Right after building a navy not needed for defeating Germany and way bigger than needed for defeating japan, and using that oversized navy to defeat japan as quickly as possible.
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RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 3:57 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It really was "Germany First".

Germany first.  Right after building a navy not needed for defeating Germany and way bigger than needed for defeating japan, and using that oversized navy to defeat japan as quickly as possible.

LOL, did you read a book or something?
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#25
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 4:21 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(December 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Germany first.  Right after building a navy not needed for defeating Germany and way bigger than needed for defeating japan, and using that oversized navy to defeat japan as quickly as possible.

LOL, did you read a book or something?

Or something.
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#26
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
Try reading Strategic Planning for Global Warfare

Seriously, some folks watch a youtube or read an article and they're an expert. Read
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#27
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Try reading Strategic Planning for Global Warfare

Seriously, some folks watch a youtube or read an article and they're an expert.  Read

Right.  As validated by our official history, we’ve never acted out of ulterior motives or in bad faith and our services do not try to outmaneuver eachother in an effort to shape national strategy in its own interest.

If one of our services were outmaneuvered by another, they would both readily admit it and explain truthfully what happened.
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#28
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
Okay, so you can't read. Got it.
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#29
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
I may not know much about Pearl Harbor, but I know that Abraham Lincoln chopped down that cherry tree with George Washington's wooden teeth.  So there.

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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#30
RE: How much do you know about the raid on Pearl Harbor?
(December 14, 2018 at 5:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I may not know much about Pearl Harbor, but I know that Abraham Lincoln chopped down that cherry tree with George Washington's wooden teeth.  So there.

Boru

Yeah, and he threw Molly Pitcher across the Potomac.
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