(February 8, 2019 at 8:03 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 8, 2019 at 7:30 am)Deesse23 Wrote: This is an atheist website and my guess is, nobody is interested in your unsubstantiated claims (that some fictional character forbade something), unless you can convince us that someone ever has existed and indeed forbade stuff.
Even better, you may even explain why you think its a good idea to forbid that suff, instead of licking some fictional boots.

If you want i can quote Harry Potter. How would you like that?

Well well; I like your true face better.
This website is not for atheists alone. So quit populous, mob speeches; they are obsolete.

Muslims are your enemies; right? so it's better to hear what Muslims have to say before leading the mob into a useless war.

So chill..I'm a Muslim on a website that accepts theists aside from its main component which is atheists.

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Then again from all my posts in this topic; you only cherry picked that line?

Populous mob speech?   nice try. Got anything to back up your "i got magic book that says so" or not? I also noticed that you didnt bother to explain why you think stuff should be forbidden. Its telling. You dont think for yourself.

Muslims my enemies? Where did i say that, ONCE? Where did i imply that, ONCE? Stop projecting your hate of foreigners (aka "the west") or anyone who is not like you on others, aka "the west". Stop lying about me too please, if you may. You know its not me who is CONSTANTLY and OBSESSIVELY this tribal "we" and "you" nonsense. Its you.
Finally, i dont care if you are a muslim or christian or whatever. I care if you can back up your claims, or if you are just running around proclaiming to *know*.
Now, why should anyone on the "atheist Forum" website be interested in what you think the Quran has to say?

Oh, and its still me who decides whch part of your fanatic character i am going to adress and which not. You better be glad i am only cherry picking the icing on your fanatics cake.

(February 7, 2019 at 2:21 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Sick fucks exist in every society, culture and lands.
They come in white,black,asian,arab...etc. you name it.

But your whole problem begins when you choose a single component to demonize; while forgetting about the rest.

No, your problem is that you don't want to see what your religion truly is. You can spend all your life excusing your religion for the Shia and Sunnies, but you forget that in a fantasia, there no way to be proven wrong or right, because its just that, fantasies created by men to hold them in check.

Yeah you have been brought up to that. It takes a mind to analise and yours not it. had you been born in portugal, you would surely be eating tasteless crackers every sunday, had you brought up in south US, you would be going evangelical batshit.

I don't. I have the intelligence that you so sorely lack. I was taught to think while you have been taught how to think.

PS. - If you think the mods here would ban you for cursing, then you haven't read the forum rules and you offend us greatly (still not bannable) for thinking that way.

You do not measure your words. And your ignorance is showing. Stop blaming others for your own weaknesses.

(February 8, 2019 at 3:32 pm)LastPoet Wrote: No, your problem is that you don't want to see what your religion truly is. You can spend all your life excusing your religion for the  Shia and Sunnies, but you forget that in a fantasia, there no way to be proven wrong or right, because its just that, fantasies created by men to hold them in check.

Yeah you have been brought up to that. It takes a mind to analise and yours not it. had you been born in portugal, you would surely be eating tasteless crackers every sunday, had you brought up in south US, you would be going evangelical batshit.

I don't. I have the intelligence that you so sorely lack. I was taught to think while you have been taught how to think.

PS. - If you think the mods here would ban you for cursing, then you haven't read the forum rules and you offend us greatly (still not bannable) for thinking that way.

You do not measure your words. And your ignorance is showing. Stop blaming others for your own weaknesses.

Not at all. Humans would use any means to justify invading, killing, robbing land,..,etc.
Sometimes they use religion, at other times they use politics.

In other words; religion is not the problem. Human mind is.

You're the ignorant one if you neglect that your mind is what can make you butcher a child and call it sacrifice, or eat a beautiful girl.

My words are very measured; did you think about fixing your glasses?

Lets run with that..the human mind is the problem.  Is it, then, possible that your human mind has lead you to misapprehend the situation you find yourself in, and that situations ultimate cause?

Is it -possible- that your homegrown nutballs don;t need anyone's help to murder you (even though having that help is super convenient), and take no direction in doing so from outside forces? Is it possible that their ability to murder you is an effect of their ability to maintain power, which forces other countries to deal with them in one of three equally suboptimal ways...as legitimate sovereigns...starve the people for the crimes of the despot, or invade ala regime change?

(February 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 8, 2019 at 3:32 pm)LastPoet Wrote: No, your problem is that you don't want to see what your religion truly is. You can spend all your life excusing your religion for the  Shia and Sunnies, but you forget that in a fantasia, there no way to be proven wrong or right, because its just that, fantasies created by men to hold them in check.

Yeah you have been brought up to that. It takes a mind to analise and yours not it. had you been born in portugal, you would surely be eating tasteless crackers every sunday, had you brought up in south US, you would be going evangelical batshit.

I don't. I have the intelligence that you so sorely lack. I was taught to think while you have been taught how to think.

PS. - If you think the mods here would ban you for cursing, then you haven't read the forum rules and you offend us greatly (still not bannable) for thinking that way.

You do not measure your words. And your ignorance is showing. Stop blaming others for your own weaknesses.

Not at all. Humans would use any means to justify invading, killing, robbing land,..,etc.
Sometimes they use religion, at other times they use politics.

In other words; religion is not the problem. Human mind is.

You're the ignorant one if you neglect that your mind is what can make you butcher a child and call it sacrifice, or eat a beautiful girl.

My words are very measured; did you think about fixing your glasses?

I have consistently said over the years on multiple websites and pages, not just here, it is impossible on a planet of 7 billion to rid the world of religion.

But, the truth is, religion IS the problem. No, I don't mean all religious people are bad, they are not. Most humans are good.

Religion is basically an artificial reflection of our evolutionary social grouping, which humans were doing long before written religions.

The problem is as I have said, many times, and stand by, that most of our 7 billion humans get sold the religions of their parents/society at youth, long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills.

Our species, at the same time has a great tendency to protect the group, our families, our societies. And at the same time humans use government as a way to control social order, be it more open, or more closed, the intent is still to regulate our interactions. Since all humans need resources, including the religious, they compete for power or attention of the powers above them. This in turn creates competition between religions, even between sub sects of the umbrella religions. This has been the case worldwide in our entire species history of writing and written religions.

The other problem with religion, is that it is slow to change when new discoveries are made. The further you go back in time in centuries the more people took their holy writings as literal as far as the fantastic claims. But even today, even in America, we have idiots who think the earth is only 6 to 10,000 years old. And there are other idiots who claim that the  bible proves humans lived with dinosaurs. 

For all the good humans claim any religion in the world may do, they far to often ignore all the division and harm it does.

Two humans can pick up a Koran, read the same words, and one can justify non violence and peace, while another can justify slamming a plane into a building. Two people can pick up a Bible and someone like Martin Luther King Jr justifies peace and human rights with it, while another person uses it to justify things like the KKK or assaulting gays. And one Jew can read their holy book and justify peace, while another will read the same book, and justify refusing to sit next to a female on a passenger Jet. And even with Buddhism, you will not get a Tibet Buddhist to agree with a Chinese Buddhist, or a Chinese Buddhist to agree with a Japanese Shinto Buddhist.

Religion is a horrible way to conduct politics, either within a nation, or between nations. Now as I said, you cant force the  end any religion, but it is a problem, and unless you accept humans are different, and government should protect all religions, but through a neutral government that doesn't set up social pecking orders, that problem will never lead to more peace.

(February 7, 2019 at 1:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

Quote:Issei Sagawa (佐川 一政 Sagawa Issei, born April 26, 1949)[1] also known as Pang, is a Japanese man who, while living in Paris in 1981, killed and cannibalized a Dutch woman named Renée Hartevelt. After his release from two years of pre-trial detention upon being found legally insane, he became a minor celebrity in Japan and made a living through public interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

How the hell can a cannibal make it through, and stay alive for all these years?
Is this an indication that the world's law enforcement -especially the western law enforcement) just doesn't give a fuck until money and oil are involved?

How does a Muslim get beaten and stripped out of a plane just for having a beard; while cannibal maniacs roam the west?

How did Issei cook the Dutch woman? did he add spices to the human meat or just had it raw?

Quote:On June 11, 1981, Sagawa, then 32, invited his Sorbonne classmate Renée Hartevelt to dinner at his apartment under the pretext of translating poetry for a school assignment. He planned to kill and eat her, having selected her for her health and beauty

What the fuck?
What the fucking fuck?

To my surprise, this doesn't cross me as shocking at all. Eating other humans is not very shocking, until you find somebody who IGNORES such incidents and take their sick beef with Muslims; claiming they are "the worst people on earth".

If the cannibal was Muslim; we would've heard all kinds of farts from media agencies; whining that "Muslims are so ugly and bad...we must invade them".

I don't know what they teach you in Islam school... but japan is not considered 'western culture.' As it was the Japanese guy who killed and ate a woman and the Japanese people who hold him up as a minor celebrity. To you eating bacon is the same as him eating this woman.. to him it is the same as well. it's his culture verses your that spell out it's morality.

And I was on a place where a Muslim man was taken off and it was more because he was looking to be an offensive dick playing the race card, than it had to do with his beard.

I have a beard most muslim men would beat their wives to have, but when I'm told to put away my computer or turn off my phone I turn it off, because if I don't I know there is always an air marshell or two ready to put their feet up my b-hole, not because of my race or beard but because I did not comply with protocol. if you watch youtube and people getting kicked of off flights.. it is always for the same reason.. they did not follow flight safety protocol. whether that is because you have a bomb or because you will not turn your phone off, or maybe the stewardess is just having a bad day either way the airline's reaction is always the same. You are comming off the plane and they will figure out your deal while everyone else leaves on time.

(February 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 7, 2019 at 1:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

How the hell can a cannibal make it through, and stay alive for all these years?
Is this an indication that the world's law enforcement -especially the western law enforcement) just doesn't give a fuck until money and oil are involved?

How does a Muslim get beaten and stripped out of a plane just for having a beard; while cannibal maniacs roam the west?

How did Issei cook the Dutch woman? did he add spices to the human meat or just had it raw?


What the fuck?
What the fucking fuck?

To my surprise, this doesn't cross me as shocking at all. Eating other humans is not very shocking, until you find somebody who IGNORES such incidents and take their sick beef with Muslims; claiming they are "the worst people on earth".

If the cannibal was Muslim; we would've heard all kinds of farts from media agencies; whining that "Muslims are so ugly and bad...we must invade them".

I don't know what they teach you in Islam school... but japan is not considered 'western culture.' As it was the Japanese guy who killed and ate a woman and the Japanese people who hold him up as a minor celebrity. To you eating bacon is the same as him eating this woman.. to him it is the same as well. it's his culture verses your that spell out it's morality.

And I was on a place where a Muslim man was taken off and it was more because he was looking to be an offensive dick playing the race card, than it had to do with his beard.

I have a beard most muslim men would beat their wives to have, but when I'm told to put away my computer or turn off my phone I turn it off, because if I don't I know there is always an air marshell or two ready to put their feet up my b-hole, not because of my race or beard but because I did not comply with protocol. if you watch youtube and people getting kicked of off flights.. it is always for the same reason.. they did not follow flight safety protocol. whether that is because you have a bomb or because you will not turn your phone off, or maybe the stewardess is just having a bad day either way the airline's reaction is always the same. You are comming off the plane and they will figure out your deal while everyone else leaves on time.

In defense of Atlas (something I hardly ever do), he didn't mention 'western culture', he mentioned 'western law enforcement'.  Sagawa was living in Paris when he committed his crime, and it was Western law enforcement that freed him.

Boru

No, it wasn't.  He was committed indefinitely, and freed in japan after deportation.

To Atlas mind insanity pleas might seem like a bug of western culture, and western law enforcement..but ofc, they're a feature. In japans defense, the manner in which he eventually got out is also a feature, and not a bug...but none of that, and nothing about this story helped to advance Atlas fetish...so he just argebargled his way through a mound of bullshit that the very short link he chose to include contradicted at every point.

(February 13, 2019 at 7:28 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: No, it wasn't.  He was committed indefinitely, and freed in japan after deportation.

Whups, my badski.  Ta for the correction.

Boru

(February 8, 2019 at 4:41 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In other words; religion is not the problem. Human mind is.

You're the ignorant one if you neglect that your mind is what can make you butcher a child and call it sacrifice, or eat a beautiful girl.

My words are very measured; did you think about fixing your glasses?

My mind would never allow it. Its called having a strong mind and your diatribe is just self reflection. Just because yours is weak, it doesn't mean others are.

My glasses are fine. You are the one with the one track mind.