Leading the populous movement of zionism and ignorance; Trump finally had the guts to declare a coup d'etat with his declaration of the "state of emergancy" to build the Mexico wall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47258754



Since WW2 and the fall of the Berlin wall, the idea was widely rejected by any human with a remaining bit of integrity and humanity, but building walls to separate people racially came back to the front pages of human tactics of war with the Israeli West Bank Barrier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

The situation is dangerous beyond description, we now have:
1-A state of emergency declared in the U.S -for reasons obviously not convincing-
2-A plan to make "the building of walls like the Berlin wall an accepted fashion worldwide".

This is way bigger than Trump. I repeat Trump is a clown, and idiot following orders of people way bigger than him.

This wall will bring doom to America once and for all, and there will be no America after it. The faces of the men behind Trump already began to show.

It's not about Democrats or Republicans anymore; it''s about a disgusting, zionist wing that laid its eggs deep in American institutions, and now it's hatching.

The dream of Zionism is to live in a world without walls. Enough said.

(February 15, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Yonadav Wrote: The dream of Zionism is to live in a world without walls. Enough said.

They are too week to seek open confrontation with anybody. Without walls, secrecy and ghetto-mentality zionism will be obsolete and will probably get overrun by other factions which are more brave.

Blatantly unconstitutional action, by virtue of the fact that there is no actual emergency, it exceeds the statutory/constitution authority vested in the executive and it clearly usurps the power of Congress to apportion money. The latter is the strongest, Congress has *explicitly* denied the administration the funds.

This will not stand.

(February 15, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Jackalope Wrote: Blatantly unconstitutional action, by virtue of the fact that there is no actual emergency, it exceeds the statutory/constitution authority vested in the executive and it clearly usurps the power of Congress to apportion money.  The latter is the strongest, Congress has *explicitly* denied the administration the funds.

This will not stand.

Facts don't matter to Trump's faction; nobody will care about the justification of the emergency if there is enough force behind it to push it to the front. And his wing has that force.

My only thought is about the other faction facing Trump: is it strong enough to told him and his wing back?

(February 15, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Jackalope Wrote: Blatantly unconstitutional action, by virtue of the fact that there is no actual emergency, it exceeds the statutory/constitution authority vested in the executive and it clearly usurps the power of Congress to apportion money.  The latter is the strongest, Congress has *explicitly* denied the administration the funds.

This will not stand.

Reading up on this, it appears that Congress can vacate a presidentially declared 'emergency' by a simple majority.  Given that there seem to be a number of Republican senators who hate the idea of funding Der Wall in this manner, Trump's declaration in no way makes the wall a done deal.

Boru

(February 15, 2019 at 1:52 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Leading the populous movement of zionism and ignorance; Trump finally had the guts to declare a coup d'etat with his declaration of the "state of emergancy" to build the Mexico wall.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47258754



Since WW2 and the fall of the Berlin wall, the idea was widely rejected by any human with a remaining bit of integrity and humanity, but building walls to separate people racially came back to the front pages of human tactics of war with the Israeli West Bank Barrier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

The situation is dangerous beyond description, we now have:
1-A state of emergency declared in the U.S -for reasons obviously not convincing-
2-A plan to make "the building of walls like the Berlin wall an accepted fashion worldwide".

This is way bigger than Trump. I repeat Trump is a clown, and idiot following orders of people way bigger than him.

This wall will bring doom to America once and for all, and there will be no America after it. The faces of the men behind Trump already began to show.

It's not about Democrats or Republicans anymore; it''s about a disgusting, zionist wing that laid its eggs deep in American institutions, and now it's hatching.

This is where I part company with you.

Trump isn't just a clown, he is a very dangerous clown. That part I agree with.

But I really do not care if you say Jew or Zionist, trying to wipe an entire nation off the face of the planet is still the goal of Iran. But that does not mean war is a solution either, and be it Israel or Iran or Saudi Arabia, a war will still kill innocent civilians regardless who starts it.

I wish humans would stop thinking we live on a separate planet.

But I do agree this wall bullshit here in America is nothing but selling fear of others and has nothing to do with pragmatically reduce violence.

I was screaming at my TV today when the orange fuckface said "Invasion" and talked about Hispanics the same way the KKK talked about blacks in the 50s and 60s, and the same way Hitler talked about Jews in Germany. Trump, "They(Hispanics) come in, then they bring in 20 to 30 more." implying that they were either cockroaches or breed like rabbits. <--- Same vile scapegoating bullshit.

That is dangerous rhetoric and is the type of rhetoric that has, throughout history, lead to one group committing crimes against humanity. 

Instead of saying "Jew or Zionist" talk about Bibi himself. Just like not all Americans support Trump.

(February 15, 2019 at 2:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 15, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Jackalope Wrote: Blatantly unconstitutional action, by virtue of the fact that there is no actual emergency, it exceeds the statutory/constitution authority vested in the executive and it clearly usurps the power of Congress to apportion money.  The latter is the strongest, Congress has *explicitly* denied the administration the funds.

This will not stand.

Reading up on this, it appears that Congress can vacate a presidentially declared 'emergency' by a simple majority.  Given that there seem to be a number of Republican senators who hate the idea of funding Der Wall in this manner, Trump's declaration in no way makes the wall a done deal.

Boru

It's not even close to being a done deal. In fact, I think it's just not going to happen. Congress can vacate it. And if they don't, it will probably be tied up in court for long enough that the clock will run out in 2020. This could be sort of a good thing, since it might occupy Trump's attention sufficiently to keep him from trying other things. He'll maybe spend the next 20 months obsessing with his court battle and not doing much else. Afterwards, he'll have to find something else to occupy his time, such as defending himself against endless civil and criminal court proceedings.

(February 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 15, 2019 at 2:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Reading up on this, it appears that Congress can vacate a presidentially declared 'emergency' by a simple majority.  Given that there seem to be a number of Republican senators who hate the idea of funding Der Wall in this manner, Trump's declaration in no way makes the wall a done deal.

Boru

It's not even close to being a done deal. In fact, I think it's just not going to happen. Congress can vacate it. And if they don't, it will probably be tied up in court for long enough that the clock will run out in 2020. This could be sort of a good thing, since it might occupy Trump's attention sufficiently to keep him from trying other things. He'll maybe spend the next 20 months obsessing with his court battle and not doing much else. Afterwards, he'll have to find something else to occupy his time, such as defending himself against endless civil and criminal court proceedings.

Can and will are two different things. Too much of the GOP has their heads up his butt. 

And the other thing you miss is that this fake emergency is not a real emergency as prior presidents have used. This is clear overreach, and sets a dangerous precedence for a future president to do even worse. One should not simply take this one event today as a single event. When you listen to his rhetoric since he started his run, and while in office, all of it is intended to undermine checks on his power. He is literally talking like a Mafia boss. That is the way you talk when someone tries to question you when you know you are doing something wrong.

(February 15, 2019 at 3:08 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm)Yonadav Wrote: It's not even close to being a done deal. In fact, I think it's just not going to happen. Congress can vacate it. And if they don't, it will probably be tied up in court for long enough that the clock will run out in 2020. This could be sort of a good thing, since it might occupy Trump's attention sufficiently to keep him from trying other things. He'll maybe spend the next 20 months obsessing with his court battle and not doing much else. Afterwards, he'll have to find something else to occupy his time, such as defending himself against endless civil and criminal court proceedings.

Can and will are two different things. Too much of the GOP has their heads up his butt. 

And the other thing you miss is that this fake emergency is not a real emergency as prior presidents have used. This is clear overreach, and sets a dangerous precedence for a future president to do even worse. One should not simply take this one event today as a single event. When you listen to his rhetoric since he started his run, and while in office, all of it is intended to undermine checks on his power. He is literally talking like a Mafia boss. That is the way you talk when someone tries to question you when you know you are doing something wrong.

Missing something and not stating the obvious isn't the same thing. It's a fake emergency? Wow, not much gets past you.