(March 9, 2019 at 2:19 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 8, 2019 at 10:41 am)Jehanne Wrote: Okay, you choose to believe in some miracle accounts while finding rational reasons to disbelieve in other accounts.  I find your "reasoning" to be circular -- "Well, Christianity is true, because Christianity is true," a type of question-begging, or, assuming the conclusion.  You have yet to provide me with a single reason why I should take any Christian belief seriously, and so, at this point, I am going to stop asking.

  What does me choosing to believe in the miracles of the Bible and being skeptical of those outside the Bible have anything to do with Christianity, you are making no sense at all and you're playing the circle game of reasoning to dispute anything I say. What you want to believe and what you should believe are up to you, I'm only answering questions you present and so far you haven't disproven any answers. When a miracle occurs it will have no rational explanation as the Fatima does, nor will there be any confusion about the miracle as with the Fatima. I have never expected an atheist would take any Christian belief seriously if you did then you wouldn't be an atheist. Christians do not have a hoard of beliefs, the essentials are few God intended it to be that way. My conclusion about this discussion is this, you are trying to assure yourself that Christianity has nothing for you, it does regardless of how you rationalize things.

GC

(March 8, 2019 at 3:54 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 7, 2019 at 10:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: I cannot disprove that the angel Gabriel did not appear corporeally to Muhammad nor that the angel Moroni did not appear to Joseph Smith, and yet, both of their "revelations" appear to be contrary to each others.  By the way, do you accept the so-called Miracle of the Sun that was witnessed by 50K individuals?

 God does not work in contrary ways, so at least one of those can be dismissed between the two, now lets put the one that's left against Christianity and you can dismiss it....

(March 9, 2019 at 11:04 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 2:19 am)Godscreated Wrote:   What does me choosing to believe in the miracles of the Bible and being skeptical of those outside the Bible have anything to do with Christianity, you are making no sense at all and you're playing the circle game of reasoning to dispute anything I say. What you want to believe and what you should believe are up to you, I'm only answering questions you present and so far you haven't disproven any answers. When a miracle occurs it will have no rational explanation as the Fatima does, nor will there be any confusion about the miracle as with the Fatima. I have never expected an atheist would take any Christian belief seriously if you did then you wouldn't be an atheist. Christians do not have a hoard of beliefs, the essentials are few God intended it to be that way. My conclusion about this discussion is this, you are trying to assure yourself that Christianity has nothing for you, it does regardless of how you rationalize things.

GC

I think that you are being inconsistent, say, for accepting the miracle accounts of Jesus in the Gospels, while at the same time disregarding the miraculous accounts of Jesus, say, in the Gospel of Peter, or the miracles of Apollonius of Tyana, etc, etc, etc.

(March 11, 2019 at 1:22 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 11:04 am)Jehanne Wrote: I think that you are being inconsistent, say, for accepting the miracle accounts of Jesus in the Gospels, while at the same time disregarding the miraculous accounts of Jesus, say, in the Gospel of Peter, or the miracles of Apollonius of Tyana, etc, etc, etc.

 Not at all. To accept the miracles of Jesus in the Bible is accepting things God did. Accepting the miracles from a book outside the Bible would be the same as accepting miracles just because someone said they saw this or that. Only God can produce miracles, If a man claims he has then he is a liar according to the scriptures and all my beliefs are based on the scriptures, so when people claim something it has to fit the parameters of the Bible.

GC

(March 11, 2019 at 8:01 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 11, 2019 at 1:22 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Not at all. To accept the miracles of Jesus in the Bible is accepting things God did. Accepting the miracles from a book outside the Bible would be the same as accepting miracles just because someone said they saw this or that. Only God can produce miracles, If a man claims he has then he is a liar according to the scriptures and all my beliefs are based on the scriptures, so when people claim something it has to fit the parameters of the Bible.

GC

So, if it is in the Bible, then, it's de facto true?  And, yet, why should I believe that the Bible is inspired, let alone inerrant?

(March 12, 2019 at 2:32 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 11, 2019 at 8:01 pm)Jehanne Wrote: So, if it is in the Bible, then, it's de facto true?  And, yet, why should I believe that the Bible is inspired, let alone inerrant?

Only God will show you that it is, I nor anyone else can convince a skeptic that the Bible is what it claims to be. I have always tried to point out that only through the Holy Spirit's guidance can one come to understand the real truth of scripture. You will believe what you want to and I can't change that so you will probably miss out on the wonders of God, but in the end you can't say you were not shown the truth. I for one hope that some day you might come to see the light of Christ and if you do the Holy Spirit is the one who will show you. There are real reasons the skeptic can't see the Bible for what it is and I believe that trust is a the center of those reasons.

GC