(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 1:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've demonstrated more than once in this thread that you've provided no such thing.  The only thing you've proven is that you're a liar and a fool.

Please.

Please what? You claim you have provided evidence despite the fact that you have not. All you do is regurgitate bare assertions. And what makes it worse is that they are not even your assertions. You simply mindlessly vomit forth that which you have been instructed to vomit. On your part, no thinking is involved.

Case in point. You claim that atheists believe that the universe simply poofed into existence ex nihilo. You completely ignore that nobody claims that but you.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 2:59 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: It is that easy. Life evolved.  All you have to do is look around at life on earth and you can see the clear truth of small changes over a long period of time adding up to large changes. I believe in Evolution because it’s obvious. Duh. Therefore, I’m right, and the theory of ID is wrong.

The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

Flat out lie.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 4:05 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: So what if DNA does actually prove what you say it proves? Doesn't tell me anything about the designer, or anything about the designers whereabouts. The thing is, why should anyone care? What difference would it make if you are in fact correct?

It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

And here you are making baseless claims again on the basis of fuck all squared. Your particular quixotic superstious claim is not evidence of anything.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.

Because your stupid god somehow gets tired. Not very omni anything, is he?

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe. 

Got any evidence for that claim? Of course not.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: God and the heavenly realm always existed. 

The universe always existed in some form. Prove me wrong.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

And you know this how?

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 5:24 am)Amarok Wrote: Actually it isn't dependent on how one proposes it happened

I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

Then you have neither the intellect nor the attention span to be effective in this thread. All you are achieving is dragging your faith into disrepute. Well done. You are doing a man's job of promoting atheism. Nobody sane would believe this bullshit.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 1:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've demonstrated more than once in this thread that you've provided no such thing.  The only thing you've proven is that you're a liar and a fool.

Please.

Please what? Please adjust reality to conform to your delusions about the matter? I'm sorry. That's not within my power. You're a deluded schmuck who thinks he's not deluded. That's so embarrassingly obvious and mundane that it would be droll and funny if it weren't so pathetic.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 2:59 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: It is that easy. Life evolved.  All you have to do is look around at life on earth and you can see the clear truth of small changes over a long period of time adding up to large changes. I believe in Evolution because it’s obvious. Duh. Therefore, I’m right, and the theory of ID is wrong.

The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

Nope, it’s not.  Any scientist who disputes evolution is just part of the greater conspiracy to hide the Real Truth from people, don’t you know? Anyone who just looks at life can see it’s evolved. It’s obvious, and I’m obviously right. Just look at it. So, since you couldn’t refute my bulletproof argument that I’m obviously right, I guess I win the debate. You can take your ball and go home now. Thanks for playing. 😉

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 1:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've demonstrated more than once in this thread that you've provided no such thing.  The only thing you've proven is that you're a liar and a fool.

Please.

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(March 31, 2019 at 2:59 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: It is that easy. Life evolved.  All you have to do is look around at life on earth and you can see the clear truth of small changes over a long period of time adding up to large changes. I believe in Evolution because it’s obvious. Duh. Therefore, I’m right, and the theory of ID is wrong.

The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

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(March 31, 2019 at 4:05 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: So what if DNA does actually prove what you say it proves? Doesn't tell me anything about the designer, or anything about the designers whereabouts. The thing is, why should anyone care? What difference would it make if you are in fact correct?

It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

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He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

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(March 31, 2019 at 5:24 am)Amarok Wrote: Actually it isn't dependent on how one proposes it happened

I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

No evolution among REAL SCIENTISTS is not 

And it makes perfect sense your religious bias blinds you

(March 30, 2019 at 10:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: Time is relative. God knows all time, space, thoughts, actions, words,....

It's easy to predict events after they happen you blithering idiot.

Here I'll give it a go:

Limerick won the 2018 All Ireland hurling final, playing dominantly most of the game but letting Galway catch up an eight point deficit to a single on over the final ten minutes of the game.  It was only because Galway's star player, Joe Canning, chickened out and decided to drop a long free shot into the square, rather than go for the point (despite hitting an even longer free over two minutes prior) with it drifting harmlessly wide that Limerick won out in normal time on a score of 3-16 (25 points) to 2-18 (24).


There I just accurately predicted the result of a match which happened last September in exactly the same way that the writers of the bible predicted in c150 CE the destruction of Jerusalem in 70-71CE.

PS Actually do you know what, I'm not going to say that I predicted an event just like the bible writers. At least I personally witnessed the All Ireland, the bible writers weren't even born at the time Jerusalem was sacked.

Quote:Time is relative. God knows all time, space, thoughts, actions, words,....

Yeah to bad there's no evidence that happened

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

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He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

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Wrong!

1 In the beginning Erú Ilúvatar, the One, made the Ainur of His thought; and they made a great Music before Him. In this Music the World was begun; for Ilúvatar made visible the song of the Ainur, and they beheld it as a light in the darkness. And many among them became enamored of its beauty, and of its history which they saw beginning and unfolding as in a vision. Therefore, Ilúvatar gave to their vision Being, and set it amid the Void, and the secret fire was sent to burn at the heart of the World; and it was called Eä.

2 Then those of the Ainur who desired it arose and entered into the World at the beginning of Time; and it was their task to achieve it, and by their labors to fulfill the vision which they had seen. Long they labored in the regions of Eä, which are vast beyond the thoughts of Elves and Men, until in the time appointed was made Arda, the Kingdom of Earth. Then they put on the raiment of Earth and descended into it, and dwelt therein. (The Silmarillion: Valaquenta: 1-2)

2 In that time [of the Beginning of Days] the Valar brought order to the seas and the lands and the mountains, and Yavanna at last planted the seeds that she had long devised. And since, when the fires were subdued or buried beneath the primeval hills, there was need of light, Aulë at the prayer of Yavanna wrought two mighty lamps for the lighting of the Middle-earth which he had built amid the encircling seas. Then Varda filled the lamps and Manwë hallowed them, and the Valar set them upon high pillars, more lofty far than are any mountains of the later days. One lamp they raised to the north of Middle-earth, and it was named Illuin; and the other was raised in the south, and it was named Ormal; and the light of the lamps of the Valar flowed out over the Earth, so all was lit as it were in changeless day.

3 The seeds that Yavanna had sown began swiftly to sprout and to burgeon, and there arose a multitude of growing things great and small, mosses and grasses and great ferns, and trees whose tops were crowned with cloud as they were living mountains, but whose feet were wrapped in green twilight. And beasts came forth and dwelt in the grassy plains, or in the rivers and the lakes, or walked in the shadows of the woods. As yet not flower had bloomed nor any bird had sung, for those things waited still their time in the bosom of Yavanna; but wealth there was of her imagining, and nowhere more rich than in the midmost parts of the Earth, where the light of both the Lamps met and blended. And there upon the isle of Almaren in the Great Lake was the first dwelling of the Valar when all things were young, and new-made grass was yet a marvel in the eyes of the makers; and they were long content.
(The Silmarillion 1:2-3)

It is told that even as Varda ended her labours, and they were long, when first Menelmacar strode up the sky and the blue fire of Helluin flickered in the mists above the borders of the world, in that hour the Elven Children of the Earth awoke, the Firstborn of Ilúvatar. By the starlit mere of Cuiviénen, Water of Awakening, they rose from the sleep of Ilúvatar; and while they dwelt yet silent by Cuiviénen their eyes beheld first of all things the stars of heaven. Therefore they have ever loved the starlight, and have revered Varda Elentári above all the Valar. (The Silmarillion, 3:8)

(March 31, 2019 at 8:04 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 1:56 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've demonstrated more than once in this thread that you've provided no such thing.  The only thing you've proven is that you're a liar and a fool.

Please.

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(March 31, 2019 at 2:59 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: It is that easy. Life evolved.  All you have to do is look around at life on earth and you can see the clear truth of small changes over a long period of time adding up to large changes. I believe in Evolution because it’s obvious. Duh. Therefore, I’m right, and the theory of ID is wrong.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

No it isn't.

(March 31, 2019 at 4:05 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: So what if DNA does actually prove what you say it proves? Doesn't tell me anything about the designer, or anything about the designers whereabouts. The thing is, why should anyone care? What difference would it make if you are in fact correct?

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

The creation story says basically nothing. other than "zap its here" it doesn't even say who wrote it and it certainly provided no verifiable references.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

I have no idea why you just wrote that. It seems to answer nothing that anyone has asked and looks remarkably like preaching to me.

(March 31, 2019 at 5:24 am)Amarok Wrote: Actually it isn't dependent on how one proposes it happened

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

Your inability to understand them does not make them untrue.
Each one of them makes more sense than your baseless assertion that magic man from nowhere did it somehow for some reason when it was in some place and you don't have to prove it because....

The point of this thread is that the universe is created just like we can create a simulated universe in a PC.  It is obvious because the constants are finely-tuned to an unimaginable extent and because of the functional complexity of DNA.  These are not baseless assertions.

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(March 31, 2019 at 8:14 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

What has all that got to do with the designer of DNA? How do you know that the designer of DNA was the same being that designed the universe?

Faith based on belief in the Bible.  The Bible prophesies came true over time.

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(March 31, 2019 at 8:16 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 8:14 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: What has all that got to do with the designer of DNA? How do you know that the designer of DNA was the same being that designed the universe?

Indeed. Even if all he said on DNA was true it would in no way point to the Abrahamic god.
It would point to powerful aliens which would have had to have evolved. The Prometheus argument if you will.

We were not seeded here by aliens.  Distances are too far to travel and no one is warping through worm holes, LOL.  Even if they could the question arises, who designed the universe since the universe is clearly designed as well.  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.

The Beatles designed the universe! I mean they have a song titled "Across the Universe", what more proof do you need?

(March 31, 2019 at 9:49 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: Please.

Please what? You claim you have provided evidence despite the fact that you have not. All you do is regurgitate bare assertions. And what makes it worse is that they are not even your assertions. You simply mindlessly vomit forth that which you have been instructed to vomit. On your part, no thinking is involved.

Case in point. You claim that atheists believe that the universe simply poofed into existence ex nihilo. You completely ignore that nobody claims that but you.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

Flat out lie.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

And here you are making baseless claims again on the basis of fuck all squared. Your particular quixotic superstious claim is not evidence of anything.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.

Because your stupid god somehow gets tired. Not very omni anything, is he?

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe. 

Got any evidence for that claim? Of course not.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: God and the heavenly realm always existed. 

The universe always existed in some form. Prove me wrong.

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

And you know this how?

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

Then you have neither the intellect nor the attention span to be effective in this thread. All you are achieving is dragging your faith into disrepute. Well done. You are doing a man's job of promoting atheism. Nobody sane would believe this bullshit.

I said the universe popped into existence because I was replying to someone that stated that. 

Not a lie.

Yes, it is.

He rested on that day to appreciate His work.  He does not get tired.

The evidence is in the creation itself.

The Big Bang Theory and nearly all scientists disagree.

Because the Word of God says we are created in His image and His likeness.

Nobody should believe nothing created everything.  It really does boil down to that.  That is not a strawman argument.

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(March 31, 2019 at 11:00 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: Please.

Please what?  Please adjust reality to conform to your delusions about the matter?  I'm sorry.  That's not within my power.  You're a deluded schmuck who thinks he's not deluded.  That's so embarrassingly obvious and mundane that it would be droll and funny if it weren't so pathetic.

Oh, that's BS.  Argue the facts.

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(March 31, 2019 at 11:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

Nope, it’s not.  Any scientist who disputes evolution is just part of the greater conspiracy to hide the Real Truth from people, don’t you know? Anyone who just looks at life can see it’s evolved. It’s obvious, and I’m obviously right. Just look at it. So, since you couldn’t refute my bulletproof argument that I’m obviously right, I guess I win the debate. You can take your ball and go home now. Thanks for playing. 😉

Oh stop, you would hate it if I left, LOL.  That is not how my argument goes and you know it.  I provided plenty of proof and evidence.  Evolution is real.  I agree.  The extent of evolution is disputed though.  I believe that the evidence shows an explosion of life rather than slow intermediaries that don't even exist.

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(March 31, 2019 at 2:48 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: Please.

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The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

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It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

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He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

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I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

No evolution among REAL SCIENTISTS is not 

And it makes perfect sense your religious bias blinds you

I am not the one who is blinded.

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(March 31, 2019 at 2:48 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: Please.

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The extent of evolution is highly disputed.

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It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

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He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

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I heard it explained many ways without a Creator and none of them make sense.

No evolution among REAL SCIENTISTS is not 

And it makes perfect sense your religious bias blinds you

I disagree.  I believe they predicted the future as the Bible shows and history backs up.  The Book of Daniel in particular is a rare gem.

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(March 31, 2019 at 3:25 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:Time is relative. God knows all time, space, thoughts, actions, words,....

Yeah to bad there's no evidence that happened

Sure there is.

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(April 1, 2019 at 7:04 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(March 31, 2019 at 7:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is critically important based on my religion.  It is the one true religion. It has a creation story that makes sense that God made the heavens and the Earth in the beginning and the prophecies happened.

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He created the heavens and Earth in 6 days and He rested on the 7th.  He is in control and He created all matter from outside the boundaries of this universe.  God and the heavenly realm always existed.  He created man as His own creation because He is a Creator.  We are in His image.  We create things because He does.

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Wrong!

1 In the beginning Erú Ilúvatar, the One, made the Ainur of His thought; and they made a great Music before Him. In this Music the World was begun; for Ilúvatar made visible the song of the Ainur, and they beheld it as a light in the darkness. And many among them became enamored of its beauty, and of its history which they saw beginning and unfolding as in a vision. Therefore, Ilúvatar gave to their vision Being, and set it amid the Void, and the secret fire was sent to burn at the heart of the World; and it was called Eä.

2 Then those of the Ainur who desired it arose and entered into the World at the beginning of Time; and it was their task to achieve it, and by their labors to fulfill the vision which they had seen. Long they labored in the regions of Eä, which are vast beyond the thoughts of Elves and Men, until in the time appointed was made Arda, the Kingdom of Earth. Then they put on the raiment of Earth and descended into it, and dwelt therein. (The Silmarillion: Valaquenta: 1-2)

2 In that time [of the Beginning of Days] the Valar brought order to the seas and the lands and the mountains, and Yavanna at last planted the seeds that she had long devised. And since, when the fires were subdued or buried beneath the primeval hills, there was need of light, Aulë at the prayer of Yavanna wrought two mighty lamps for the lighting of the Middle-earth which he had built amid the encircling seas. Then Varda filled the lamps and Manwë hallowed them, and the Valar set them upon high pillars, more lofty far than are any mountains of the later days. One lamp they raised to the north of Middle-earth, and it was named Illuin; and the other was raised in the south, and it was named Ormal; and the light of the lamps of the Valar flowed out over the Earth, so all was lit as it were in changeless day.

3 The seeds that Yavanna had sown began swiftly to sprout and to burgeon, and there arose a multitude of growing things great and small, mosses and grasses and great ferns, and trees whose tops were crowned with cloud as they were living mountains, but whose feet were wrapped in green twilight. And beasts came forth and dwelt in the grassy plains, or in the rivers and the lakes, or walked in the shadows of the woods. As yet not flower had bloomed nor any bird had sung, for those things waited still their time in the bosom of Yavanna; but wealth there was of her imagining, and nowhere more rich than in the midmost parts of the Earth, where the light of both the Lamps met and blended. And there upon the isle of Almaren in the Great Lake was the first dwelling of the Valar when all things were young, and new-made grass was yet a marvel in the eyes of the makers; and they were long content.
(The Silmarillion 1:2-3)

It is told that even as Varda ended her labours, and they were long, when first Menelmacar strode up the sky and the blue fire of Helluin flickered in the mists above the borders of the world, in that hour the Elven Children of the Earth awoke, the Firstborn of Ilúvatar. By the starlit mere of Cuiviénen, Water of Awakening, they rose from the sleep of Ilúvatar; and while they dwelt yet silent by Cuiviénen their eyes beheld first of all things the stars of heaven. Therefore they have ever loved the starlight, and have revered Varda Elentári above all the Valar. (The Silmarillion, 3:8)

No, in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.

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(April 1, 2019 at 2:13 pm)no one Wrote: The Beatles designed the universe! I mean they have a song titled "Across the Universe", what more proof do you need?

Yeah, a rock band designed the universe.  OK.  Why not argue the facts?