(April 3, 2019 at 1:52 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I just don't see it as spooky, or as anything even remotely nonphysical....but as mentioned, it wouldn't be a problem if it were spooky by your description of possibility.

Lol, you don’t see it even remotely nonmentally, you see it purely mentally. The world you see is purely through your mind, and as a result is seen, experienced, observed as mental.

Acro, I don't consider the mental "nonphysical".  Things could be mental for days and days and days. If mental things are doing "spooky" things, then physical things are doing "spooky" things.

(April 3, 2019 at 3:47 pm)Acrobat Wrote:

(April 3, 2019 at 2:29 pm)Succubus Wrote: This fantastic scenario you describe is not the god of the bible.

No but such scenarios negate your “. The universe operates according to a set of rules and under those rules magic/miracles cannot happen. ”

No it does not. In a computer simulation anything and everything is possible but when the computer is switched off you are back in reality.

(April 3, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(April 3, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Drich Wrote: ok doing things for the neighbor kids=interest in the concern status or position you have with the neighbor there fore not an altruistic act correct?

so if the kids are not connect to you or better yet they are connect to someone who hates you, but it is in your nature to help those kids for no other reason than that is your nature then explain to me how this is not an altruistic act?

Can you see the circle of logic you are projecting yet?

You can not have it both ways.

You're still imagining some conversation in your head.

It doesn't matter who's kids they are, or what my own interests and conditions are.  I have my own interests and conditions...therefore it is not altruism.  Your god has its own interests and conditions, as well.

You keep asking people to tell you how these acts aren't altruistic, but you posted the definition yourself.  What about "that's not what that word means" do you not understand?

You explain how the actions are NOT altruistic in light of the senerio, show me using the senerio how I am wrong. you can just keep claiming it and saying I am wrong show me or again shut up, because you are dong nothng more than trolling me at this point.

What part of "that's not what that word means" do you not understand? You posted the definition.

(April 3, 2019 at 4:38 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 3, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're still imagining some conversation in your head.

It doesn't matter who's kids they are, or what my own interests and conditions are.  I have my own interests and conditions...therefore it is not altruism.  Your god has its own interests and conditions, as well.

You keep asking people to tell you how these acts aren't altruistic, but you posted the definition yourself.  What about "that's not what that word means" do you not understand?

You explain how the actions are NOT altruistic in light of the senerio, show me using the senerio how I am wrong. you can just keep claiming it and saying I am wrong show me or again shut up, because you are dong nothng more than trolling me at this point.

I think the trouble is that you are conflating 'altruistic' with 'good'.  That's not the case.  Plenty of good acts are done that are in no way altruistic.  Purely altruistic acts (as I pointed out before) can have horrible consequences.

I'll try another example to help clarify the difference.  Instead of giving $100 000 to a homeless person, I donate $1 000 000 to a children's hospital.  They can use the money however they like, but I stipulate that they have to name a ward or a lab after me.  This is clearly a good act (I used to volunteer in a pediatric burn ward, so I'm familiar with the needs these places have).  But it is not an altruistic act, since I placed conditions on the gift.

I hope that clears it up a little.

Boru

That does seem to be the case.  The only way he imagined my other-than-altruistic acts for the neighbors kids was status or some such ridiculous shit.  Like hauling some random hillbillies to a park conferred a title.

I just like being that dad, lol.  Makes me feel good, the kids have fun.  My kids have fun, their friends have fun, I have fun.  Errybody smiles. My own interest and satisfaction, and..yes, conditions... rules it out as altruism, but obviously doesn't rule it out as good.

(April 3, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(April 3, 2019 at 3:47 pm)Acrobat Wrote: No but such scenarios negate your “. The universe operates according to a set of rules and under those rules magic/miracles cannot happen. ”

No it does not. In a computer simulation anything and everything is possible but when the computer is switched off you are back in reality.

Again if it’s possibly for our reality to be akin to computer simulation, or even ultimately mental in form, than such possibilities indicate that it’s possible for things to defy the rules, for things that defy those rules to happen.

They would still follow the rules of the sim, described by it;s underlying architecture- as our own do .  Unless you want to go down the rabbit hole of infinite rulebreaking regress,..and all for no reason whatsoever.

People imagine that "anything is possible" in a sim..but that's not actually the case. That's just an artifact of their viewpoint from the ui..combined with a limited imagination. Ever find yourself on a map border in a game? Ever try to command wow to play mario bros 2? Doesn't work like that. At some point, the sheer force of time makes everything -impossible- in a sim, as the whole thing grinds down on the ticks and nothing works or moves and then..uh oh, crash.

Everything you've ever seen in any sim is the product of meticulous rule following and limiting. The actual rules at play may be as hidden from you as the rules your own mind might be following, and as hidden from us as whatever rules govern reality, if there are any - but nothing about that, or your -seeming- possibilities will indicate that there is anything other-than at play, breaking this or that.

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You missed the point all together. It is not altruistic to care for things that belong to you. God is described as the owner of all things that exist. God cannot be altruistic because it belongs to Him if He exists, if He created it all.

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And that's the thing we do not all belong to God. Or did you not know that? otherwise how is it not altruism for God to provide for those whodo not belong to him?

Have you not Heard Christ say "It rains on the just and unjust alike?" what do you think that means? It means that both God's children and the those who belong to satan both benefit from gift from God. gift not limited to rain, but again not all of us care to take advantage of God's open invatation or some may not even know those gifts are available.

That would make them potential children of God. Satan belongs to God too or you have two gods instead of One. Otherwise, where did Satan come from?

No I have never heard Christ speak. I have only read claims of claims of claims of claims of claims of claims of him making claims.

The best part of being an atheist is not believing in demons either.