Is God Altruistic? Is God Happy?

[Acrobat]

Gasp, an atheist who doesn’t just lack a belief in God, but believes God isn’t real.

And what proof do you have of that?

Depends on the god. I know nothing about Ra, shiva, Posidon...
But the god of the bible does not, cannot, exist. The universe operates according to a set of rules and under those rules magic/miracles cannot happen. If you're dead for three days you're fucking staying dead!
You are asking for proof of the non-existence of something that by definition, cannot exist.

Couple of problems here with that, just because the universe operates of a certain rules, that doesn't mean those rules can be defied. Imagine if we were as some suggest a part of a computer program, some simulated version of reality. This world would operate under the certain rules written into its programing, but events, or the phenomena that defy those rules on occasion could occur by the sheer will of the programmer.

The same premise would apply, if our reality isn't purely physical. We only perceive the world mentally, but believe there's a reality external to us absent of mental features, a purely physical reality. Yet the reality we perceive is purely mental, our first hand recognition is mental in form. Perhaps the world exists like a sustained thought, a product of some sort of supreme consciousness. Perhaps some of the more spooky elements of our cosmos make better sense in such a picture than a purely physicalist account.  A man, resurrected, no less impossible than then the thought of it. 

None of this may be true of course, but they're possible. And because they are possible, and not impossible, miracles can happen, even if only rarely.

[The Grand Nudger]

If possibility is defined as anything that can happen within the rules -or- by breaking the rules, whatever those rules may be, then all things are possible and there are no rules, lol. You don't need any additional information about whether the world is physical or something else. It wouldn't matter. The physical can do all of the "spooky" stuff (whatever that is) if the physical can break the rules, which is possible by your description of possibility.

[Acrobat]

If possibility is defined as anything that can happen within the rules -or- by breaking the rules, whatever those rules may be, then all things are possible and there are no rules, lol.  You don't need any additional information about whether the world is physical or something else.  It wouldn't matter.  The physical can do all of the "spooky" stuff (whatever that is) if the physical can break the rules, which is possible by your description of possibility.

But the reality we know isn't physical, it's a conscious reality. It's reality in mental form. In fact we can be more certain of a conscious reality, then a purely physical one, because thats the world we experience, operate, in and see. 

The mental can do all the spooky stuff too. In fact many of the spooky stuff, are things we can more mental conceive, than physically observe.

[Peebothuhlu]

Ah... so you do think people can push the clouds with their minds Acrobat.

Good to know.

 

Not at work.

[The Grand Nudger]

If possibility is defined as anything that can happen within the rules -or- by breaking the rules, whatever those rules may be, then all things are possible and there are no rules, lol.  You don't need any additional information about whether the world is physical or something else.  It wouldn't matter.  The physical can do all of the "spooky" stuff (whatever that is) if the physical can break the rules, which is possible by your description of possibility.

But the reality we know isn't physical, it's a conscious reality. It's reality in mental form. In fact we can be more certain of a conscious reality, then a purely physical one, because thats the world we experience, operate, in and see. 

If you say so, I guess?  

The mental can do all the spooky stuff too. In fact many of the spooky stuff, are things we can more mental conceive, than physically observe.

I just don't see it as spooky, or as anything even remotely nonphysical....but as mentioned, it wouldn't be a problem if it were spooky by your description of possibility.

The addition of the "non physical" serves no purpose and has no explanatory value in that event.

[Succubus]

Depends on the god. I know nothing about Ra, shiva, Posidon...
But the god of the bible does not, cannot, exist. The universe operates according to a set of rules and under those rules magic/miracles cannot happen. If you're dead for three days you're fucking staying dead!
You are asking for proof of the non-existence of something that by definition, cannot exist.

Couple of problems here with that, just because the universe operates of a certain rules, that doesn't mean those rules can be defied. Imagine if we were as some suggest a part of a computer program, some simulated version of reality. This world would operate under the certain rules written into its programing, but events, or the phenomena that defy those rules on occasion could occur by the sheer will of the programmer.

The same premise would apply, if our reality isn't purely physical. We only perceive the world mentally, but believe there's a reality external to us absent of mental features, a purely physical reality. Yet the reality we perceive is purely mental, our first hand recognition is mental in form. Perhaps the world exists like a sustained thought, a product of some sort of supreme consciousness. Perhaps some of the more spooky elements of our cosmos make better sense in such a picture than a purely physicalist account.  A man, resurrected, no less impossible than then the thought of it. 

None of this may be true of course, but they're possible. And because they are possible, and not impossible, miracles can happen, even if only rarely.

This fantastic scenario you describe is not the god of the bible.

[Drich]

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your chasing your own tail. sort this mess and get back to me as you are contradicting yourself

You're imagining some conversation in your head, Drich, lol.  

I do things for the neighbors kids all the time.  That the kids belong to the neighbor doesn't make those things altruistic.

If I did things for isis kids, or assholes kids, or any kids, anywhere....that wouldn't make those things altruistic any more than doing them for the neighbors kids makes things altruistic.

That...is....not....what....altruism...refers.....to. 

You posted the definition yourself, take the time to read and comprehend it.  I have my own interests, my own conditions.  Your god has it's own interests, it's own conditions.

ok doing things for the neighbor kids=interest in the concern status or position you have with the neighbor there fore not an altruistic act correct?

so if the kids are not connect to you or better yet they are connect to someone who hates you, but it is in your nature to help those kids for no other reason than that is your nature then explain to me how this is not an altruistic act?

Can you see the circle of logic you are projecting yet?

You can not have it both ways.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're imagining some conversation in your head, Drich, lol.  

I do things for the neighbors kids all the time.  That the kids belong to the neighbor doesn't make those things altruistic.

If I did things for isis kids, or assholes kids, or any kids, anywhere....that wouldn't make those things altruistic any more than doing them for the neighbors kids makes things altruistic.

That...is....not....what....altruism...refers.....to. 

You posted the definition yourself, take the time to read and comprehend it.  I have my own interests, my own conditions.  Your god has it's own interests, it's own conditions.

ok doing things for the neighbor kids=interest in the concern status or position you have with the neighbor there fore not an altruistic act correct?

so if the kids are not connect to you or better yet they are connect to someone who hates you, but it is in your nature to help those kids for no other reason than that is your nature then explain to me how this is not an altruistic act?

Can you see the circle of logic you are projecting yet?

You can not have it both ways.

You're still imagining some conversation in your head.

It doesn't matter who's kids they are, or what my own interests and conditions are.  I have my own interests and conditions...therefore it is not altruism.  Your god has its own interests and conditions, as well.

You keep asking people to tell you how these acts aren't altruistic, but you posted the definition yourself. What about "that's not what that word means" do you not understand?

[Acrobat]

Couple of problems here with that, just because the universe operates of a certain rules, that doesn't mean those rules can be defied. Imagine if we were as some suggest a part of a computer program, some simulated version of reality. This world would operate under the certain rules written into its programing, but events, or the phenomena that defy those rules on occasion could occur by the sheer will of the programmer.

The same premise would apply, if our reality isn't purely physical. We only perceive the world mentally, but believe there's a reality external to us absent of mental features, a purely physical reality. Yet the reality we perceive is purely mental, our first hand recognition is mental in form. Perhaps the world exists like a sustained thought, a product of some sort of supreme consciousness. Perhaps some of the more spooky elements of our cosmos make better sense in such a picture than a purely physicalist account.  A man, resurrected, no less impossible than then the thought of it. 

None of this may be true of course, but they're possible. And because they are possible, and not impossible, miracles can happen, even if only rarely.

This fantastic scenario you describe is not the god of the bible.

No but such scenarios negate your “. The universe operates according to a set of rules and under those rules magic/miracles cannot happen. ”

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, just like "your name is susan" negates whatever you might claim your name to be otherwise.