(April 3, 2019 at 4:49 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: What part of "that's not what that word means" do you not understand?  You posted the definition.

I did moron, and I showed you how my understanding complies with the post definition <NOW TROLL it is your turn to show me how i am wrong or simply be beaten and remain silent. as repeating yourself over and over with no further explanation shows me I have broken your will as well.

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not to mention sport all your peers have seem to drop the fake line about 'it not what the word means' maybe there is a reason for that maybe the other 5 who where pursuing this line of trolling figured out what you have not or can not understand in my reasoning and or definition. OR maybe that is why you are stuck simply repeating yourself and trying to frame out a stale mate rather than admit like your peers you like them where indeed wrong while I again am right.

Imagine having a conversation with someone who points at a cat while demanding that you explain how the thing he's pointing at isn't "seven", after having posted the definition of the word cat. That probably has something to do with why everyone's giving up on you, don't you think?

For starters, an altruistic god wouldn't demand anything, least of all worship or recognition.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote: So again, how is God not altruistic?

HE has a direct line of communication made available

Irrelevant to altruism.  

Quote:God asks for nothing in return for the freedom offered by Christ beside love each other as your selves and him above all else.

Doesn't ask for anything besides those things he asks for, you say...one of which being to love him the most-est?

Quote:God has made a promise to throw mountains of doubt into the ocean to clear you from doubt and disbelief.

irrelevant to altruism.

Quote:Christian is the only religion not based on "morality" as it sole means of judging a follower righteous.

irrelevant to altruism

Quote:You have confused christian religions,with howthe bible conducts the following ofChrist.

You've confused "seven" for "cat".  You didn't actually present an exhaustive list of everything god allegedly asks for in his own self interest - but you just couldn't help but tell us about at least one very self interested thing upon which this bribe is made conditional. This is an almost comical fuckup...since all you had to do was omit this like you omitted any other ask in magic book.

To wit, your posted definition and question.

Quote:al·tru·ism

/ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/
noun

1. the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
   "some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"
   synonyms:
   unselfishness, selflessness, self-sacrifice, self-denial; 
   

Given this definition without falling back to emotion why can't god be altruistic?

Is there anything else about "that's not what that word means" that you don't understand? Even -I- don't condition the trip to the park on the neighbor kids loving me the most-est, that's some next level needy shit.

(April 4, 2019 at 11:21 am)Kit Wrote: For starters, an altruistic god wouldn't demand anything, least of all worship or recognition.

for repeaters asked and answered like 10 time with 10 different examples of God giving with out asking for anything. i my life, examples in the bible and again in gary sinise's life per his book "a great american I just read) Sinese knew nothing of God but saw so much blessing in the way of pravunaunce He could not help but know and see the hand of God working in his life. Did not grow up religious never went to church just was given so much and saw how god worked first hand and was honest enough to say thank you rather than claim his own talent.

Same happened to me, never knew God simply sought the truth and the flood gates opened.

Like wise in the bible with doubting thomas before he believe or did anything he demanded to have proof and again God gave him everything he could possible need.

how many examples of being given things without demand anything must I give?

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(April 4, 2019 at 11:34 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 25, 2019 at 9:48 am)Drich Wrote: So again, how is God not altruistic?

HE has a direct line of communication made available

Irrelevant to altruism.  

Quote:God asks for nothing in return for the freedom offered by Christ beside love each other as your selves and him above all else.

Doesn't ask for anything besides those things he asks for, you say...one of which being to love him the most-est?

Quote:God has made a promise to throw mountains of doubt into the ocean to clear you from doubt and disbelief.

irrelevant to altruism.

Quote:Christian is the only religion not based on "morality" as it sole means of judging a follower righteous.

irrelevant to altruism

Quote:You have confused christian religions,with howthe bible conducts the following ofChrist.

You've confused "seven" for "cat".  You didn't actually present an exhaustive list of everything god allegedly asks for in his own self interest - but you just couldn't help but tell us about at least one very self interested thing upon which this bribe is made conditional.  This is an almost comical fuckup...since all you had to do was omit this like you omitted any other ask in magic book.

To wit, your posted definition and question.

Quote:al·tru·ism

/ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/
noun

1. the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
   "some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"
   synonyms:
   unselfishness, selflessness, self-sacrifice, self-denial; 
   

Given this definition without falling back to emotion why can't god be altruistic?

Is there anything else about "that's not what that word means" that you don't understand?  Even -I- don't condition the trip to the park on the neighbor kids loving me the most-est, that's some next level needy shit.

this rebuttal was great for my opening statements.. however these points where made and I amended them... yet you still hold you position based on my open statement? WTF dude? have you not read anything since the beginning?

I have been explain and amending my initial offering not to change what I said but explain what I said as to fit the definition provided. why haven't you used any of those examples and show me where I am wrong after my explanations?

Again I was having like 3 or 4 of you all coming at me fro the same direction/ my use does not fit the definition, and after I explained the other dropped off. I asked why you haven't and it is clear now, you have not read anything past my initial offerings.

I've already commented on your endless meanderings after that point, as have others.  None of them rehabilitate your misunderstanding of the term or attribution to god of the trait or quality, and each time it fails for exactly the same reason as the last time.

Your god simply isn't altruistic, what you tell us about your god describes the very antithesis of the term. So what, though? Why is that such a problem for you?

Quote:for repeaters asked and answered like 10 time with 10 different examples of God giving with out asking for anything.

 
You really haven't, but even if you had, it doesn't alter the meaning of the Bible verses quoted earlier.

Quote:i my life,

 
Given the way you've conducted yourself in this thread and others, you'll understand if I'm not inclined to believe you.

Quote:examples in the bible

I thought you'd only presented one example (Doubting Thomas).  If I missed the others, I apologize.  But it doesn't really work, as Thomas was already a disciple and was only questioning the Resurrection.  And he DID ask, telling people he would only believe if he saw the wounds.

Quote:and again in gary sinise's life per his book "a great american I just read). Sinese knew nothing of God but saw so much blessing in the way of pravunaunce He could not help but know and see the hand of God working in his life. Did not grow up religious never went to church just was given so much and saw how god worked first hand and was honest enough to say thank you rather than claim his own talent.

There's a lot wrong with this.  I confess to not having read the book (and - since you got the title wrong - I kind of suspect you didn't either), but I found some lengthy excerpts online.  His conversion to Catholicism seems to have been a process rather than the 'lightning strike' you seem to be implying. His wife converted in 2000, he converted in 2010 after attending a lot of Masses with the missus and receiving instruction for more than a year.  Also, the book appears to be more about his patriotism than his religion.

Quote:Same happened to me, never knew God simply sought the truth and the flood gates opened.

See above.

Quote:Like wise in the bible with doubting thomas before he believe or did anything he demanded to have proof and again God gave him everything he could possible need.

See above.

Quote:how many examples of being given things without demand anything must I give?

It isn't so much how many examples you give, but the quality of them.

Boru

@ Acrobat

I know you have been busy talking to Boru, but will you please answer my last reply to you? Here: https://atheistforums.org/thread-58633-p...pid1897516

(April 4, 2019 at 1:18 pm)Drich Wrote: for repeaters asked and answered like 10 time with 10 different examples of God giving with out asking for anything. i my life, examples in the bible and again in gary sinise's life per his book "a great american I just read) Sinese knew nothing of God but saw so much blessing in the way of pravunaunce He could not help but know and see the hand of God working in his life. Did not grow up religious never went to church just was given so much and saw how god worked first hand and was honest enough to say thank you rather than claim his own talent.

Same happened to me, never knew God simply sought the truth and the flood gates opened.

Like wise in the bible with doubting thomas before he believe or did anything he demanded to have proof and again God gave him everything he could possible need.

how many examples of being given things without demand anything must I give?

You're just erroneously attributing good things happening in your life to a godly source with zero evidence to support the personal claim.

(April 4, 2019 at 8:55 pm)Kit Wrote:

(April 4, 2019 at 1:18 pm)Drich Wrote: for repeaters asked and answered like 10 time with 10 different examples of God giving with out asking for anything. i my life, examples in the bible and again in gary sinise's life per his book "a great american I just read) Sinese knew nothing of God but saw so much blessing in the way of pravunaunce He could not help but know and see the hand of God working in his life. Did not grow up religious never went to church just was given so much and saw how god worked first hand and was honest enough to say thank you rather than claim his own talent.

Same happened to me, never knew God simply sought the truth and the flood gates opened.

Like wise in the bible with doubting thomas before he believe or did anything he demanded to have proof and again God gave him everything he could possible need.

how many examples of being given things without demand anything must I give?

You're just erroneously attributing good things happening in your life to a godly source with zero evidence to support the personal claim.

Have You Even Been Following This Thread? Or are you speaking in general?