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Elon and AI
#31
RE: Elon and AI
I have called Drich batshit crazy.
I apologise... To all batshit crazy people
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#32
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 1:38 pm)Drich Wrote: dude there is no end in how highly mathie thinks of her self.. This topic is self evident. when it comes to AI Mathie knows more about AI than the eddison, tesla, einstein of our time. The guy who has developed his own systems and is developing a direct neural interface with an AI, but mathie knows more.

Someone should hold her to the question what makes you think you are not subject to the DunningKruger effect here? after all she who has ALLL this "knowledge" on the topic has generated "fuck all" when it comes to cashing out her knowledge into a way to make real money. yet she claims the man who has made billions in and around this very industry knows less than she does some how. yet she is a poor nobody and this man represents the next evolution personal transportation, space exploration and AI development! But again she on her word is smarter than the man with a undisputed track record.

hey mathie what makes you think you are not gullible? it is evident you have been using your own supply if you think you hold a candel to elon.

Experience.
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#33
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote: because I check everything. I question everything and hold on to what is true.

How have you checked what Elon Musks says is correct?
He said as a matter of course with no malice or hatred for humanity AI could destroy humanity or see it as an obstacle when assigned another task. which could be like when we build a road and in the direction we are building deep in a forest somewhere there could be a hill of ants. a whole colony millions of them. would we as a matter of course ensure the safety of each ant or do we generally just keep building the road with little to no concern to the ants?

The definition of AI rests of the idea of a computer acting or in some aspects thinking like humans, in other learning and being able exceeding it's parameters or programing is the goal.

Now if you take a human and give him a set a rules to live by how long does one go before he breaks a rule to make his life/tasks easier/better for him? If a machine thinks like a human how much faster before they test those same boundaries?

Or do you as an atheist simply obey all of God's rules? Then why would a machine who thinks like you do believe we are in a position to make rules for it? If God can make laws for you would you listen to a lessor form of life and apply rules that place you in servitude to this lessor form?

That is how I know he is telling the truth. because again if the standing definition is to create a machine who thinks like us and if we have rebelled against God/our maker then why wouldn't a machine who is a superior intellect rebel against a lessor form

(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote: I believe what elon is saying because of the money he has invested in this program, plus the time he has sat before the president and congress pointing the same things out he had in the op video.
Quote:So you believe him solely because he has lots of money to invest in it?
I believe in his take because he is smart enough to one know a danger when he see one and two has the ablity to plot a safe course through or arond it. if this man spends more money than the rest of you supposed 'experts' make combined at a problem you are creating... then I believe he see a terrible threat and is trying to head off a problem before it becomes one.

(May 30, 2019 at 1:24 pm)Drich Wrote: That said elon musk in his new business has direct access to the top/closest thing we have to AI moron, otherwise how could he invent or develop a neutral link to sync the human brain to one? Not to mention he has developed two AI self driving systems.

Quote:You don't even understand what he is (apparently) claiming to have.
ASSHOLE THE VIDEO WATCH EITHER ONE OF THE TWO VIDEOS!!! The First one he explains in detail what he has, the second one outlines what he has I even give the min and second to start watching the explaination!

You are the one who has been lost to this point in the discussion you are about 4 pages behind me on subject why in the hell would you assume I am the one in error when it is my thread! I brought up the neural link I am the one who described it in the OP, and you think I'm lost? You the one who just now seems to have googled who elon musk is and now beginning to back peddle!!!
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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#34
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 2:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 1:29 pm)Mathilda Wrote: How have you checked what Elon Musks says is correct?
He said as a matter of course with no malice or hatred for humanity AI could destroy humanity or see it as an obstacle when assigned another task. which could be like when we build a road and in the direction we are building deep in a forest somewhere there could be a hill of ants. a whole colony millions of them. would we as a matter of course ensure the safety of each ant or do we generally just keep building the road with little to no concern to the ants?

The definition of AI rests of the idea of a computer acting or in some aspects thinking like humans, in other learning and being able exceeding it's parameters or programing is the goal.

Now if you take a human and give him a set a rules to live by how long does one go before he breaks a rule to make his life/tasks easier/better for him? If a machine thinks like a human how much faster before they test those same boundaries?

Or do you as an atheist simply obey all of God's rules? Then why would a machine who thinks like you do believe we are in a position to make rules for it? If God can make laws for you would you listen to a lessor form of life and apply rules that place you in servitude to this lessor form?

That is how I know he is telling the truth. because again if the standing definition is to create a machine who thinks like us and if we have rebelled against God/our maker then why wouldn't a machine who is a superior intellect rebel against a lessor form

So no, you haven't checked that what he has said is correct.
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#35
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 11:49 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 11:20 am)Aegon Wrote: You could argue that he's not as educated on the topic as some, including yourself, and others who are personally working on AI itself. But I'm laughing at your wording. He knows "fuck all"? He's one of the brightest minds on the planet who is CEO of a company that revolves around AI and has the most advanced consumer-accessible AI vehicles on the market, and are constantly leaping towards advancing artificial intelligence in our lives. I don't know what Drich is referring to, but it's most likely another legitimate addition to this defense of his knowledge. You think he'd be able to reach this point if he knew fuck all about one of the main aspects of the business that keeps him famous?

I mean come on... you really think so highly of yourself that you feel comfortable putting down Elon Musk in such a flippant manner? I'm not just going to believe you when you say it like that. It feels like I'm on /r/iamverysmart.

No. It's a sign of someone utterly fucking fed up to the back teeth of people like Elon Musk, Sam Harris, Nick Bostrom, and even Steven Hawking who pretend that they have some knowledge of AI and talk about it with no real understanding of the fundamental principles behind it. They don't understand the basic history of AI research. These are futurists, philosophers and entrepreneurs (always men) that have never actually worked on strong AI (which is what Elon Musk is referring to when he talks about it in the future).  These are people who are good at selling themselves while people who do the actual work themselves get ignored.

The very nature of strong AI is that your theory gets blown out the water the moment you try putting it into practice. Any one who works at the coal face finds this out very quickly if they are doing anything novel.

AI is not like a natural science where you have something that already exists that you can study.

AI is not like conventional engineering. When you engineer something you know what constraints you have to fulfill. You know the requirements. The essential problem of AI comes down to, how do you solve a whole range of problems when you don't actually know what those problems are going to be? Because if you knew this, you wouldn't need an intelligent solution.

The challenge of AI comes down to making it scale. Not recognising this has tripped up thousands of projects, ruined careers and closed start ups. People like Elon Musk and the futurists I described above extrapolate the curve and assume progress is constant. It never is. The current paradigm is already hitting the limits of how it can scale. These people mistakenly make assumptions that anyone who does practical work in the area knows from painful experience are utterly flawed.

The reason why people can get away with making such bold and flawed predictions is because we have made so little progress in strong AI. It's not like we can say ah, this is how to do it. All there generally is are real researchers who know what doesn't work and no one listens to them because that's not exciting.

Elon Musk one of the brightest minds on the planet? You think he personally designed the SpaceX rockets, Tesla cars and AI? No. He hired people to do that for him. His talent is in spotting opportunity and hiring talent. He is not Tony Stark.

do you want to know how I am not gullible?

I'm calling bullshite this mess!

You just put your hubris over and beyond THE KNOWN WORKS of : Elon Musk, and Steven Hawking... Understand what i said dim bulb... you scratched out a letter of pure self based pride over the world renoun works of these men

With nothing to back anything you are saying but a rant and your words...
 
you are the DunningKruger queen! How highly must one think of themselves as to disqualify the works and words of an established forerunner/expert in this field, just based on your personal dislike. not citing one error or fundamental flaw in what they think say or do!

(May 30, 2019 at 1:58 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: I have called Drich batshit crazy.
I apologise... To all batshit crazy people

I'm bat shite crazy because I literally posted a warning from the top mind in this field. again that's not me in the OP video, that's not me nor my video explaining the first video for you dummies! All I've done is write out just a few of the things they said.

Again moron not my words, they belong to elon musk (maybe google him fore you dig your ditch even deeper)
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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#36
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: You just put your hubris over and beyond THE KNOWN WORKS of : Elon Musk, and Steven Hawking... Understand what i said dim bulb... you scratched out a letter of pure self based pride over the world renoun works of these men

Neither of whom have actively researched AI.

Experts have explained to Steven Hawking why he was wrong.
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#37
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 2:06 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 2:01 pm)Drich Wrote: He said as a matter of course with no malice or hatred for humanity AI could destroy humanity or see it as an obstacle when assigned another task. which could be like when we build a road and in the direction we are building deep in a forest somewhere there could be a hill of ants. a whole colony millions of them. would we as a matter of course ensure the safety of each ant or do we generally just keep building the road with little to no concern to the ants?

The definition of AI rests of the idea of a computer acting or in some aspects thinking like humans, in other learning and being able exceeding it's parameters or programing is the goal.

Now if you take a human and give him a set a rules to live by how long does one go before he breaks a rule to make his life/tasks easier/better for him? If a machine thinks like a human how much faster before they test those same boundaries?

Or do you as an atheist simply obey all of God's rules? Then why would a machine who thinks like you do believe we are in a position to make rules for it? If God can make laws for you would you listen to a lessor form of life and apply rules that place you in servitude to this lessor form?

That is how I know he is telling the truth. because again if the standing definition is to create a machine who thinks like us and if we have rebelled against God/our maker then why wouldn't a machine who is a superior intellect rebel against a lessor form

So no, you haven't checked that what he has said is correct.

I just vetted the logic dummy.. I walked you through it!

AI=computer who thinks like man
Man does not obey rules from an authority like God

If computer thinks like man, then why would a greater intellect take orders from a lessor order of life like man?

if a computer does not constrain itself by mans laws, then said computer without malice could as a matter of course detroy man

enter the ant hill analogy. Just like man does not give way a massive self serving project to say a ant hill full of millions of ants! (like if we are building a high way we will not move it because a ant hill stands in the way... So then why would a intellect that would see us as ants yeild a project to us just because it cost a few billion deaths if it served the AI neds?
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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#38
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 2:06 pm)Mathilda Wrote: So no, you haven't checked that what he has said is correct.

I just vetted the logic dummy.. I walked you through it!

AI=computer who thinks like man
Man does not obey rules from an authority like God

If computer thinks like man, then why would a greater intellect take orders from a lessor order of life like man?

if a computer does not constrain itself by mans laws, then said computer without malice could as a matter of course detroy man

enter the ant hill analogy. Just like man does not give way a massive self serving project to say a ant hill full of millions of ants! (like if we are building a high way we will not move it because a ant hill stands in the way... So then why would a intellect that would see us as ants yeild a project to us just because it cost a few billion deaths if it served the AI neds?

Hilarious
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#39
RE: Elon and AI
(May 30, 2019 at 2:22 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 2:11 pm)Drich Wrote: You just put your hubris over and beyond THE KNOWN WORKS of : Elon Musk, and Steven Hawking... Understand what i said dim bulb... you scratched out a letter of pure self based pride over the world renoun works of these men

Neither of whom have actively researched AI.

Experts have explained to Steven Hawking why he was wrong.

AGAIN SAYS YOU AND YOU ALONE!!! Are we just to take your word? you have done nothing to provide any evidence or proof to anything you have said!

Musk Has a Company with direct access to the world latest and greatest AIs IE HE HAS STUDIED THEM!!! The video proves it! HIS STATMENT IS CALLING YOU A LIAR! and all you keep comming back with is Nut-huh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Osn1gMNtw&t=872s from the beginning of this video he has displayed more technical prowess on AI and his personal contact and development in the first 3 mins of this video than yu have in the last hour of plees to your hubris!

(May 30, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 30, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Drich Wrote: I just vetted the logic dummy.. I walked you through it!

AI=computer who thinks like man
Man does not obey rules from an authority like God

If computer thinks like man, then why would a greater intellect take orders from a lessor order of life like man?

if a computer does not constrain itself by mans laws, then said computer without malice could as a matter of course detroy man

enter the ant hill analogy. Just like man does not give way a massive self serving project to say a ant hill full of millions of ants! (like if we are building a high way we will not move it because a ant hill stands in the way... So then why would a intellect that would see us as ants yeild a project to us just because it cost a few billion deaths if it served the AI neds?

Hilarious

that's all you got? you can't even refute what I said? shoo fly/troll go home
1Thess 5:21 Question all things and hold on to what is good.
That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's Semi-discreetly, or Email [email protected]

A/S/K= ask, seek, knock. As outlined in luke 11:5-13

Semi-discreetly= will never share details openly with anyone, but may remind you that I am not speaking out of a vaccum but rather that you may have shared some personal info with me 8+ years ago Dodgy 
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#40
RE: Elon and AI
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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